TechOps Posted February 8, 2013 at 10:27 PM Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 at 10:27 PM On the Ford web site, I noticed that they have released numbers for not only MPGe, but also MPG. Their combined MPG for the Fusion Energi is 43, lower than previously estimated at the same as Cmax. • EPA-estimated 108 city/92 hwy/100 MPGe combined• EPA-estimated 44 city/41 hwy/43 mpg combined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Energized Posted February 9, 2013 at 02:34 AM Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 at 02:34 AM Nothing has been lowered. Those are the exact same EPA figures for the C-Max Energi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy314 Posted February 9, 2013 at 07:54 AM Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 at 07:54 AM You are thinking of the 47's of the hybrid. Lighter battery, lighter car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechOps Posted February 9, 2013 at 10:14 PM Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 at 10:14 PM (edited) You are thinking of the 47's of the hybrid. Lighter battery, lighter car. Oops, you're right.. sorry about that. It's surprising that just a bigger battery causes 3-4 mpg drop.. Edited February 9, 2013 at 10:15 PM by TechOps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rprobst Posted February 9, 2013 at 11:14 PM Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 at 11:14 PM It's not only the extra battery weight. Ford (and Car&Driver) said the software is different between the hybrid and the Energi. I assume that means the software that controls the eCVT and the power split between ICE and motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Energized Posted February 10, 2013 at 06:28 PM Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 at 06:28 PM The gearing for the Energi models is also different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rprobst Posted February 10, 2013 at 09:28 PM Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 at 09:28 PM If I understand things correctly, the "gearing" on an eCVT is all software controlled. So Ford is not wrong to say that the only differences between the hybrid and the Energi are the battery size and the software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsamp Posted February 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM (edited) If I understand things correctly, the "gearing" on an eCVT is all software controlled. So Ford is not wrong to say that the only differences between the hybrid and the Energi are the battery size and the software. Plus the charging port and its associated electronics/cables Edited February 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM by jsamp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlb92 Posted August 11, 2013 at 02:36 AM Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 at 02:36 AM (edited) I can get 46mpg on the energi with a depleted battery. If you look on the government website the average of 77 regular hybrids doesn't break 40 (stays at 39mpg). The government website also says my 2005 civic gets 29mpg but I easily get 34mpg no matter how I drive. Going 80mph in the civic on the highway when it was new I easily got 38 to 40 mpg. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33083&id=33373&id=33398&id=20706 Edited August 11, 2013 at 02:37 AM by dlb92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted August 12, 2013 at 07:43 PM Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 at 07:43 PM I have found that I have been averaging 44 to 46 miles per gallon in just hybrid mode as well. I did a few road trips this summer and checked mileage with gas used and it was very close to what car had estimated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rspray Posted August 20, 2013 at 12:38 AM Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 at 12:38 AM http://green.autoblog.com/2013/08/19/ford-didnt-overstate-c-max-hybrid-mpg-number/#continued Interestingly enough, due to the fiasco with the C-Max Hybrid MPG numbers being lowered due to the "Volume Label," it turns out the Fusion Energi may actually beat the currently rated EPA MPG(e) numbers: The C-Max Energi, our plug-in hybrid, and the Fusion Energi, the plug-in hybrid, are under the same general label. But in that case, the C-Max Energi is the high-volume variant, so the Fusion Energi plug-in hybrid shares and carries the C-Max label. If we had actually tested the Fusion individually it probably would have had a higher number, but we carry a lower number because the C-Max is the high-volume variant, relative to the plug-in hybrids. Now I understand the EPA ratings come with a grain of salt, but still. TX NRG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlb92 Posted August 20, 2013 at 12:42 AM Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 at 12:42 AM I think Ford should have bit the bullet and tested the energi..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtshinn Posted August 20, 2013 at 01:13 PM Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 at 01:13 PM (edited) ALL models should be tested before they put a label on them claiming mpg performance, etc. I was surprised to hear that they don't. It's redonkulous, frankly. Edited August 20, 2013 at 01:13 PM by rtshinn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlb92 Posted August 20, 2013 at 02:38 PM Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 at 02:38 PM EPA probably charges millions of dollars to do the test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX NRG Posted August 21, 2013 at 05:42 AM Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 at 05:42 AM EPA probably charges millions of dollars to do the test.They set the guidelines and the manufacturers do the tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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