pluggedin Posted February 13, 2013 at 11:10 PM Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 at 11:10 PM I just modified my charger installation to have an on/off switch.The charger draws 10 watts while waiting to be put to use. 10 watts x 24 hours x 30.4 days / 1000 = 7.3 kwh per monthThat's one less phantom load wasting power in my house.NICELY done Murphy, thanks for such a common sense tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyersnole Posted February 14, 2013 at 01:03 AM Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 at 01:03 AM I just modified my charger installation to have an on/off switch.The charger draws 10 watts while waiting to be put to use. 10 watts x 24 hours x 30.4 days / 1000 = 7.3 kwh per monthThat's one less phantom load wasting power in my house. Very nice! I am going to ask my electrician to wire it up that way too. Also move this over to my other thread as a hint/tip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluggedin Posted February 14, 2013 at 01:51 PM Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 at 01:51 PM Meyersnole (or anyone), how did you get your car info entered so it shows up in the bottom of your posts? I haven't been able to figure it out yet and I would like to enter my car info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckJ Posted February 14, 2013 at 06:44 PM Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 at 06:44 PM How long does it take the charger to boot after you turn it on? ChuckJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted February 14, 2013 at 07:21 PM Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 at 07:21 PM How long does it take the charger to boot after you turn it on? ChuckJThe sticker on the side of the case says 16 seconds. I measured it at 14 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluggedin Posted February 14, 2013 at 10:54 PM Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 at 10:54 PM The sticker on the side of the case says 16 seconds. I measured it at 14 seconds.Will booting the charge up and down be harder on it's circuitry then just leaving it on, even though it does use 7.3 kwh per month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyersnole Posted February 15, 2013 at 12:57 AM Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 at 12:57 AM Meyersnole (or anyone), how did you get your car info entered so it shows up in the bottom of your posts? I haven't been able to figure it out yet and I would like to enter my car info. Click on your name and go into your profile. Click on edit my profile (upper right). Tabs on the left, click on signature. Rich text editor there for your sig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluggedin Posted February 15, 2013 at 01:32 AM Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 at 01:32 AM Click on your name and go into your profile. Click on edit my profile (upper right). Tabs on the left, click on signature. Rich text editor there for your sig.Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FusionEnergi Posted February 15, 2013 at 05:15 PM Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 at 05:15 PM I just modified my charger installation to have an on/off switch.The charger draws 10 watts while waiting to be put to use. 10 watts x 24 hours x 30.4 days / 1000 = 7.3 kwh per monthThat's one less phantom load wasting power in my house.The photo is the 32 Amp Leviton with 25foot cable in my garage. My quick on/off swith is a 40amp breaker just to the left of the unit. Thanks for the units draw information murphy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rspray Posted February 15, 2013 at 10:49 PM Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 at 10:49 PM Schneider L2 Charger down to $700 at HD - http://www.homedepot.com/buy/schneider-electric-evlink-30-amp-level-2-indoor-electric-vehicle-charging-station-1st-generation---traditional-model-ev2430ws.html#.UR67SaWKLFs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fusion Posted February 17, 2013 at 01:45 PM Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 at 01:45 PM Very nice! I am going to ask my electrician to wire it up that way too. Also move this over to my other thread as a hint/tipI think it's great to look at all leaks. I bought a kill-a-watt meter just for that, but it's hard to justify the cost... 7.3 Kwh per month is less than a buck. So if your electrician is going to add $30 to the install bill, it's a 3 year payback. And that includes remembering to flip the switch off every day. At least the light ring will remind you to flip it back on. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted February 17, 2013 at 02:21 PM Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 at 02:21 PM That's $1.17 where I live.It's not just this one appliance,it's the cumulative effect of all of the appliances that are using power when they don't need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fusion Posted February 17, 2013 at 04:33 PM Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 at 04:33 PM I'm not hating on the idea, I'm just saying people need to be smart about it. I'm actually putting in two 220's, with a throw switch so one or the other operates. One will be near the door opening in case I need to charge outside. To your point, I will definitely switch it off on vacations or extended periods, but I will give it a try since I already have the switch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluggedin Posted February 25, 2013 at 05:07 PM Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 at 05:07 PM (edited) The photo is the 32 Amp Leviton with 25foot cable in my garage. My quick on/off swith is a 40amp breaker just to the left of the unit. Thanks for the units draw information murphyFusionEnergi, I can't locate the 32 Amp Leviton with 25' cable. Where did you buy yours? Edited February 25, 2013 at 05:10 PM by pluggedin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyersnole Posted February 25, 2013 at 11:57 PM Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 at 11:57 PM (edited) I am looking at getting that one too. Home Depot has it. I have a link in the other thread that will pull up the all the chargers there. http://www.fordfusionenergiforum.com/topic/509-residential-charging-stations-now-what/?p=1037 Edited February 25, 2013 at 11:58 PM by meyersnole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluggedin Posted February 26, 2013 at 12:12 AM Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 at 12:12 AM (edited) I am looking at getting that one too. Home Depot has it. I have a link in the other thread that will pull up the all the chargers there. http://www.fordfusionenergiforum.com/topic/509-residential-charging-stations-now-what/?p=1037I went with the Leviton with the 18" cord instead and contracted with Mr Electric to do the install thru Home Depot when I was there today..Cost was $962.83 with tax. Install separate, of course. I am going to try to hang mine from the garage ceiling and bought a retractable extension cord to mount next to the charger to see if I can hang the plug on it. The retractable extension cord was about $30. My ceiling is 10' high. Edited February 26, 2013 at 12:13 AM by pluggedin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyersnole Posted February 26, 2013 at 12:52 AM Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 at 12:52 AM Would love to see a picture of that. I think my garage is a little higher than that, but very interested in that solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluggedin Posted February 26, 2013 at 01:32 AM Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 at 01:32 AM Would love to see a picture of that. I think my garage is a little higher than that, but very interested in that solution.I'll be sure to upload a picture of the install unless the contractor changes my mind when he gets here. Either way, I'll post my decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted February 26, 2013 at 02:51 AM Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 at 02:51 AM I posted this question on the Blueoval forum but got no response. Has anyone considered installing a kilowatt-hour (KWH) meter in the feed to their 240 volt charger to track the power used to charge the battery? It's easily done with a plug-in Kill-a-watt device for the 120 volt charger but has to be wired into the 240 volt circuit for the 240 volt charger.I have one on order to experiment with the measurements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fusion Posted February 26, 2013 at 04:31 AM Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 at 04:31 AM Murphy, I'm very interested in knowing if you figure out how to make a 220 usage meter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted February 26, 2013 at 10:42 AM Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 at 10:42 AM Murphy, I'm very interested in knowing if you figure out how to make a 220 usage meter.This http://www.ekmmetering.com/ekm-metering-products/electric-meters-kwh-meters/basic-kwh-meter-100a-120-240-volt-3-wire-60hz-ekm-25ids.html?gclid=CK3Qitri07UCFZOe4AodXAcAlA is the one that I ordered. It won't arrive until late this week or early next week. I did not order either of the cases since it will be in my garage but the DIN mounting rail ($2.00) is required to mount it. I'll have a picture once I decide on how to mount it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted February 28, 2013 at 08:26 PM Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 at 08:26 PM My KWH meter has been installed.As promised, here is a picture. It took slightly over an hour of the charger being powered on for the 0.01 KWH reading to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fusion Posted February 28, 2013 at 08:44 PM Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 at 08:44 PM Nice job! I'm definitely doing this. So in theory, that .01 is probably .005 rounded up. So 500 idle hours is about 1kw. Maybe 1.5kWh per month? ? About what people were figuring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted February 28, 2013 at 09:50 PM Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 at 09:50 PM Unfortunately no. I had previously measured the idle draw to be 10 watts using other equipment.10 watts is 0.01 KW.This meter confirmed that.10 watts times 24 hours times 30.4 days equals 7296 watt hours per month divided by 1000 equals 7.296 kilowatt hours per month.For me at 16 cents per KWH that is $1.17 per month.Probably not worth worring about when IHOP is charging $2.19 for a cup of coffee. In case you are wondering where the 30.4 came from, 365 days divided by 12 months equals 30.42 days per month on average. I've already modified my spreadsheet to include KWH per month in addition to gallons per month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluggedin Posted February 28, 2013 at 11:37 PM Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 at 11:37 PM Unfortunately no. I had previously measured the idle draw to be 10 watts using other equipment.10 watts is 0.01 KW.This meter confirmed that.10 watts times 24 hours times 30.4 days equals 7296 watt hours per month divided by 1000 equals 7.296 kilowatt hours per month.For me at 16 cents per KWH that is $1.17 per month.Probably not worth worring about when IHOP is charging $2.19 for a cup of coffee. In case you are wondering where the 30.4 came from, 365 days divided by 12 months equals 30.42 days per month on average. I've already modified my spreadsheet to include KWH per month in addition to gallons per month.Wow, I'm not smart enough to figure all of that out. I'll just wait for your posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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