Vintre Posted December 13, 2017 at 02:34 PM Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 at 02:34 PM Hello All, 2017 FFE. With the cold Winter here now in Southern Ontario, of course, I have lost a tremendous amount of range. I am down to 25kms (15 miles) per charge. In the Summer, I use the A/C and noticed that I was still getting great range, 37 kms (22miles). I would have thought that the use of AC would reduce range the same as using the heater in the Winter does. Anyone else see the same? Just wondering. Vin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted December 13, 2017 at 04:16 PM Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 at 04:16 PM The heater is a 5 kW resistance heater. The A/C compressor doesn't use anywhere near that much power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintre Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:35 PM Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:35 PM The heater is a 5 kW resistance heater. The A/C compressor doesn't use anywhere near that much power.Makes sense. I work in a company that produces Automotive parts for all OEM's including Ford. What is interesting is that the OEM's are asking suppliers to develop heat dissipating products to keep the cabin cool. I keep advocating that heat in the Summer is not an issue for the cabin as AC does not affect range, but cold in the Winter is a killer on range and we should be developing products that keep heat in during the Winter. Thanks for the reply. Vin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastphemy Posted December 26, 2017 at 08:23 PM Report Share Posted December 26, 2017 at 08:23 PM I also don't seem to have any loss of range when using A/C in my Ford Fusion Energi. In previous cars (Rav4 EV and Volt), using the A/C could drain up to 20% more battery than without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My14Energi Posted December 27, 2017 at 03:55 PM Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 at 03:55 PM I have found that despite a setting of 72, if its below 70 outside the car must somehow be using the heating function. 85° and a setting of 72 has very little effect. 72 and a cooler temp and i watch the miles tick away about every half mile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profskule Posted January 27, 2018 at 02:26 PM Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 at 02:26 PM (edited) I also live in Southern Ontario, but drive a 2015 FFE Titanium. The rear defroster in our vehicles automatically turn on when it's below 0C, and the light does not illuminate either; it is hard-coded to be on for several minutes once the car turns on in freezing temperatures (this claim is validated by my dealer). This greatly affects our range. Regardless, my current winter range is no more than 25km. What is your summer mileage without using AC in Southern Ontario particularly? I haven't owned my car long enough to know. Thanks. Edited February 17, 2018 at 01:26 AM by profskule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4cylinder Posted January 27, 2018 at 05:56 PM Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 at 05:56 PM (edited) I've driven gas-only cars in the past and find that using A/C in the summer impacts fuel economy a LOT less than using heat in the winter. Same goes for the 2013 hybrid I traded in for the 2017 Energi. On a hot day I will use the global windows open feature from my key fob to air out the car before I get in, and then drive around for a few minutes with the windows down but no A/C on - this is far more efficient if you can get some decent speed. Only then do I actually turn on the A/C. I bought my Energi in November so I didn't get a chance to test out the A/C's impact yet, but I'm guessing that my preferred setting of 22C at lowest fan speed will have minimal impact, if any, on EV range and gas usage. I also park my car in a garage, so the A/C doesn't have to work very hard if I am driving out of my house on a hot day. For those who have easy access to Level 2 chargers, does the engine turn on if you use remote start on a hot day while the car is plugged in? Edited January 27, 2018 at 05:59 PM by 4cylinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintre Posted February 16, 2018 at 12:14 PM Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 at 12:14 PM My commute to work is 44 kms. For this commute, in the winter, I am getting between 25kms and 28kms. I use the heat sparingly. For the same commute in the Summer, I am getting 40kms and I use the AC generously. Thats why I asked why I dont see a drop in range when using the AC. Ford must have figured something out OR air conditioning on Electric vehicles doesnt reduce range. Vin I also live in Southern Ontario, but drive a 2015 FFE Titanium.The rear defroster in our vehicles turn on when it's below 0C. This greatly affects our range. Regardless, my current winter range is no more than 25km.What is your summer mileage without using AC in Southern Ontario particularly? I haven't owned my car long enough to know. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsamp Posted February 16, 2018 at 05:37 PM Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 at 05:37 PM A/C does affect range (vs not using it) but nowhere near what resistance heating does. If Ford were to use a heat pump instead of resistance heating, that would reduce the affect on range, but that would cost money. Resistance heating is cheap and easy. jj2me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamboatr Posted February 16, 2018 at 05:51 PM Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 at 05:51 PM I wonder if a heat pump type A/C & heater would be possible and how it would be for energy use and packaging into the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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