kpeercy Posted May 27, 2017 at 09:15 AM Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 at 09:15 AM (edited) A national used car dealer near me has a 2013 Fusion Energi SE for sale with under 30k miles. Any known pitfalls to this model? The price is very good and I've been thinking of buying a FFE for a couple of years. Other than having them fulling charging it before I test drive to make sure the battery is in good shape, what else should I look for? Edited May 27, 2017 at 09:18 AM by kpeercy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted May 27, 2017 at 10:55 AM Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 at 10:55 AM Verify that the data modem has been upgraded to a 3G modem. The car came with a 2G modem and AT&T shut down 2G service on December 31, 2016. This is a free upgrade at a Ford dealer. If it still has the original 12 volt battery it is time for a new one. Does it have push button start? If it does make sure that two key fobs come with the car. Verify that there is a "real" key inside of each fob. It is used to unlock the driver's door in the event of a dead 12 volt battery. If it doesn't have push button start, then there should be two real keys with the car. The rated electric only mileage is 21 miles. That will only happen when the ambient temperature is above 70 degrees F. In the winter with the heat on I get about 10 miles. Cold doesn't damage the battery but its efficiency drops dramatically. Verify that the 120 volt EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment) is included with the car and that it works. It is commonly called a charger but it is not a charger. The charger is built into the car. It takes up to 7 hours to charge the battery with the 120 volt EVSE. An after market 240 volt EVSE will charge the battery in 2 hours. There is no spare tire with the car. There should be an air compressor in the trunk, in the same location as the EVSE. It includes a canister of "goo" used to stop a small leak in a tire. After 4 years the "goo" canister has expired and is supposed to be replaced. I have not replaced mine since I carry a separate can of Slime brand "goo". I've not had a flat tire in at least 20 years. I use the car for local driving only. From late spring through early fall the engine is not used at all. Put the car in EV Now mode for the first part of the test drive to guarantee that you experience electric only driving. Switching to EV Later mode will force the engine to be used. In EV Later mode it operates the same as a hybrid. When the High Voltage Battery (HVB) is empty it also operates as a hybrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpeercy Posted May 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM Verify that the data modem has been upgraded to a 3G modem. The car came with a 2G modem and AT&T shut down 2G service on December 31, 2016. This is a free upgrade at a Ford dealer. If it still has the original 12 volt battery it is time for a new one. Does it have push button start? If it does make sure that two key fobs come with the car. Verify that there is a "real" key inside of each fob. It is used to unlock the driver's door in the event of a dead 12 volt battery. If it doesn't have push button start, then there should be two real keys with the car. The rated electric only mileage is 21 miles. That will only happen when the ambient temperature is above 70 degrees F. In the winter with the heat on I get about 10 miles. Cold doesn't damage the battery but its efficiency drops dramatically. Verify that the 120 volt EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment) is included with the car and that it works. It is commonly called a charger but it is not a charger. The charger is built into the car. It takes up to 7 hours to charge the battery with the 120 volt EVSE. An after market 240 volt EVSE will charge the battery in 2 hours. There is no spare tire with the car. There should be an air compressor in the trunk, in the same location as the EVSE. It includes a canister of "goo" used to stop a small leak in a tire. After 4 years the "goo" canister has expired and is supposed to be replaced. I have not replaced mine since I carry a separate can of Slime brand "goo". I've not had a flat tire in at least 20 years. I use the car for local driving only. From late spring through early fall the engine is not used at all. Put the car in EV Now mode for the first part of the test drive to guarantee that you experience electric only driving. Switching to EV Later mode will force the engine to be used. In EV Later mode it operates the same as a hybrid. When the High Voltage Battery (HVB) is empty it also operates as a hybrid.What does the modem do? I'm sure CarMax will not want to get it switched out. Is this free if I take it to Ford? How do I verify that it has or hasn't been done? Time for a new 12V, as in I should go ahead and buy one? What type does it take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted May 27, 2017 at 01:13 PM Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 at 01:13 PM (edited) What does the modem do? I'm sure CarMax will not want to get it switched out. Is this free if I take it to Ford? How do I verify that it has or hasn't been done? Time for a new 12V, as in I should go ahead and buy one? What type does it take?The modem is how the My Ford Mobile website and app communicate with the car. Go here: https://www.myfordmobile.com/content/mfm/app/site/login.html and click on "Enter as Guest" to see what it does. There is a way to determine if the modem has been upgraded from the center screen. I can't tell you how to do it from memory. I'll write down the steps the next time I am in the car.There is a modem number on an information screen, If it begins with "T" the new modem has been installed. Mine was done last November. The modem upgrade should be free. I expect the 3 year / 36,000 mile warranty has expired unless the previous owner bought the extended warranty. The 12 volt battery is unique, it is small for a car battery. It is located behind a panel in the trunk. It is unlikely that you will find it anywhere other than at a Ford dealer. A Ford dealer can load test it to determine if it needs to be replaced. Update: Modem information:Press the gear iconPress the Help iconPress System InformationPress down arrowFind:CPPM ESN: Txxxxx If the first letter of the ESN is a T, the 3G modem has been installed. If it's anything else, the 3G modem has not been installed. Edited May 27, 2017 at 02:43 PM by murphy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russael Posted May 27, 2017 at 02:25 PM Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 at 02:25 PM The rated electric only mileage is 21 miles. That will only happen when the ambient temperature is above 70 degrees F. In the winter with the heat on I get about 10 miles. Cold doesn't damage the battery but its efficiency drops dramatically. Verify that the 120 volt EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment) is included with the car and that it works. It is commonly called a charger but it is not a charger. The charger is built into the car. It takes up to 7 hours to charge the battery with the 120 volt EVSE. An after market 240 volt EVSE will charge the battery in 2 hours. Psst.. remember that our 2013 cars got re-rated to 19 miles electric mode? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted May 27, 2017 at 02:52 PM Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 at 02:52 PM Psst.. remember that our 2013 cars got re-rated to 19 miles electric mode? :)Mine has always made 21. This morning it was at 24. It is currently charging and the "hover over the battery" estimate is 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpeercy Posted May 27, 2017 at 04:08 PM Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 at 04:08 PM They also have a 2014 model with 35,000 miles. All things being equal, what would you suggest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted May 27, 2017 at 04:22 PM Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 at 04:22 PM They also have a 2014 model with 35,000 miles. All things being equal, what would you suggest?I've never seen anything later than my 2013. I have heard that starting in 2014 they removed the MPGe display and only have mpg. That means for all electric operation the mpg will be 999.9 which conveys no useful information. Depending on when in 2014 it was built the warranty may still be in effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JATR4 Posted May 27, 2017 at 04:42 PM Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 at 04:42 PM A national used car dealer near me has a 2013 Fusion Energi SE for sale with under 30k miles. Any known pitfalls to this model? The price is very good and I've been thinking of buying a FFE for a couple of years. Other than having them fulling charging it before I test drive to make sure the battery is in good shape, what else should I look for?What is the price on the 2013 and the 2014? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpeercy Posted May 27, 2017 at 04:52 PM Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 at 04:52 PM $15998 and $16998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandroad Posted May 28, 2017 at 04:10 PM Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 at 04:10 PM Check with Carfax or similar reporting system and see when the '14 was purchased and put into service. If it's less than 36 months ago, it would still have 1000 miles (or the remaining time) left on the full factory warranty and that's worth a lot on these complex cars. If something was goofy, Ford would fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyersnole Posted June 3, 2017 at 06:19 PM Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 at 06:19 PM (edited) The 12 volt battery is unique, it is small for a car battery. It is located behind a panel in the trunk. It is unlikely that you will find it anywhere other than at a Ford dealer. A Ford dealer can load test it to determine if it needs to be replaced. I bought a replacement battery at Autozone as the dealership that I like to use is pretty far away and I waited until the battery failed. It was a new part for them. Posted about it here:http://www.fordfusionenergiforum.com/topic/4760-12-volt-battery-died/?p=28673 Edited June 3, 2017 at 06:19 PM by meyersnole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum15Ti Posted June 4, 2017 at 03:13 AM Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 at 03:13 AM My 2015 Titanium Energi with 20,000 miles sold for $17,500 a few months back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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