2017 FFE Range Increase Confirmed

[Energized]

For 2017, Fusion Energi has a 16% increase in range, from 19 to 22 miles.

 

10.5% increase in MPG, from 39 MPG to 42 MPG

 

Increase in efficiency from 88 MPGe to 97 MPGe

 

2017 window stickers are now showing on the Ford site in local inventory:

 

http://shop.ford.com/build/fusion/?gnav=header-cars#/chooseyourpath/

 

http://dailyitfix.com/2016/05/06/refreshed-2017-fusion-energi-gets-range-bump-better-mpg/

Edited May 6, 2016 at 09:57 PM by Energized

[Fat Fusion]

Finally something!  More importantly it looks like a nice interior refresh.  Gone is the shifter and in its place is a knob? OK, no biggie.  Buttons for the fuel door and ICE/Electric/Auto toggle switch look like they went to a new home, maybe?  Not very impressed by the increase in range.

 

[dlb92]

That is a pathetic increase in range.  I was getting 27-31 miles off a charge when I got my 2013.  After 3 years it is down to 19-21 miles per charge.

 

Why don't they use the Tesla model and put the battery underneath the car and then we can have a bigger battery and a real trunk again.

Edited May 7, 2016 at 03:20 AM by dlb92

[Eric4539]

Yes, that is the interior of either a Titanium or the Sport.  Notice the paddle shifters on the steering wheel.  But the 2017 has Sync 3 and physical buttons for the AC controls and seat heaters which should be easier to use.

 

There is a space for 4 buttons depending on the options selected behind the rotary gear selector/parking brake button - out of view in the photo above.  The EV and Hill Assist and Auto Parking buttons were moved to that location.

 

 

The Fuel Filler button looks like it was moved the the driver's door below the armrest.

 

[Energized]

A double digit increase in efficiency and range is actually fairly significant given it's the same size battery as before and the vehicle was already efficient to begin with.

 

The Fusion's 97 MPGe rating is quite a bit better than the Telsa S70 rating of 89 MPGe.

 

Telsa is charging customers $3000 to get only 15 miles more range out of the S70, so even a small increase in range is expensive at Tesla.  With a significantly lower price for the 2017s, at least Ford is improving range while lowering the price, in effect passing along the reduction in battery costs to customers. 

[Blastphemy]

Comparing a Ford Fusion Energi to a Tesla Model S is ridiculous. Instead of the Ford's barely 22-mile EV-only range (if that), the Tesla (70D) gets 240. Instead of 0-60 in 10 seconds (in the Fusion's EV-only mode), the Tesla does it in 5.2 seconds. Instead of needing gas to get up steep hills when it's cold outside or the state of charge is low in the Energi, the Tesla has no problem and never uses gas. The Ford is also 1/2 the price of the 70D Model S, so you get what you pay for.

 

Nobody cares that the Tesla gets 8 MPGe less than the Ford. Oh, boo hoo! If the Ford could accelerate like the Tesla, it would get lower MPGe too (and probably quite a bit less).

 

Ford's pitiful improvements to its EVs and hybrid plug-ins just goes to show that Ford wants to build compliance cars while Tesla wants to build real cars.

 

And this is coming from someone who drives a 2015 Ford Fusion Energi Titanium.

[larryh]

Power output of the Fusion Energi is Limited by the HVB size.  It can only output 65 kW of power from a 7.6 kWh battery.  The Volt has a HVB twice as large and hence can output significantly more power.  The Model S battery is 10 times large and consequently the 5 second 0 to 60 acceleration.

 

Note that the original numbers for the 2013 Energi were 21 mile range, 100 MPGe, and 43 MPG (before the adjustment). 

 

The 2013-2016 model year numbers are based on measurements made for the C-Max Energi (they expected it to outsell the Fusion Energi).  Since the Fusion Energi far outsells the C-Max Energi, they are probably using the actual Fusion Energi measurements now.  The Fusion Energi is more aerodynamic and hence has better range, MPGe, and MPG than the C-Max Energi.  In that case, there probably is no significant change in range, MPGE, or MPG between the 2013-2016 model years and the 2017 model year.   

[openair]

The 2013-2016 model year numbers are based on measurements made for the C-Max Energi (they expected it to outsell the Fusion Energi).  Since the Fusion Energi far outsells the C-Max Energi, they are probably using the actual Fusion Energi measurements now.  The Fusion Energi is more aerodynamic and hence has better range, MPGe, and MPG than the C-Max Energi.  In that case, there probably is no significant change in range, MPGE, or MPG between the 2013-2016 model years and the 2017 model year.   

 

According to the link in the op the 2017 has a more efficient electric motor.

[Energized]

According to the link in the op the 2017 has a more efficient electric motor.

 

Yes, new more efficient motors and new software result in the increase in efficiency/range.

 

This is from an article back in January, what we didn't know then was what kind of improvement.  http://www.postcrescent.com/story/money/cars/2016/04/08/2017-ford-fusion-reimagines-family-sedan/82658912/

 

"The new Fusion Hybrid and Fusion Energi feature new software that delivers an even more refined and engaging drive for customers, while more efficient electric motors are expected to contribute to better fuel economy and a purer range of electric driving."

Edited May 7, 2016 at 10:29 PM by Energized

[larryh]

If you go to Ford's web site, you will now see that the 2017 Fusion Hybrid and Energi have the same MPG:   43 city/41 highway/42 combined.  For the previous model years, the Energi MPG was lower than the Hybrid:  Hybrid was 44 city/41 highway/42 combined.  Energi was 40 city/35 highway/38 combined.  That was because they measured the MPG for a C-Max Energi instead.  It appears for 2017 they are now actually measuring the MPG for a Fusion Energi. 

Edited May 8, 2016 at 01:17 AM by larryh

[flyingcheesehead]

Comparing a Ford Fusion Energi to a Tesla Model S is ridiculous. Instead of the Ford's barely 22-mile EV-only range (if that), the Tesla (70D) gets 240. Instead of 0-60 in 10 seconds (in the Fusion's EV-only mode), the Tesla does it in 5.2 seconds. Instead of needing gas to get up steep hills when it's cold outside or the state of charge is low in the Energi, the Tesla has no problem and never uses gas. The Ford is also 1/2 the price of the 70D Model S, so you get what you pay for.

 

Nobody cares that the Tesla gets 8 MPGe less than the Ford. Oh, boo hoo! If the Ford could accelerate like the Tesla, it would get lower MPGe too (and probably quite a bit less).

 

Ford's pitiful improvements to its EVs and hybrid plug-ins just goes to show that Ford wants to build compliance cars while Tesla wants to build real cars.

 

And this is coming from someone who drives a 2015 Ford Fusion Energi Titanium.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. In fact, I actually had to go back and look to see who wrote it because I thought it might have been me a while ago!

[Energized]

A new article and press release on the increased range of the 2017 FFE.  Total range now 610 miles, up 60 miles from prior year.

 

Improvements come from both changes to both the powertrain and the regen brakes.

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cure-range-anxiety-ford-fusion-163000154.html

 

http://www.autonews.com/article/20160526/OEM05/160529907/ford-bumps-driving-range-of-2017-fusion-energi-to-610-miles

[Russael]

Funny.  I've already done 630 miles in mine with 1 charge and 1 tank of gas... and still had around 30 miles of range available.  Wonder what I'd be able to get out of the 2017?

Edited May 26, 2016 at 07:48 PM by Russael

[Energized]

Funny.  I've already done 630 miles in mine with 1 charge and 1 tank of gas... and still had around 30 miles of range available.  Wonder what I'd be able to get out of the 2017?

I'd say 700 miles is doable.

[Hybridbear]

Power output of the Fusion Energi is Limited by the HVB size.  It can only output 65 kW of power from a 7.6 kWh battery.  The Volt has a HVB twice as large and hence can output significantly more power.  The Model S battery is 10 times large and consequently the 5 second 0 to 60 acceleration.

 

Note that the original numbers for the 2013 Energi were 21 mile range, 100 MPGe, and 43 MPG (before the adjustment). 

 

The 2013-2016 model year numbers are based on measurements made for the C-Max Energi (they expected it to outsell the Fusion Energi).  Since the Fusion Energi far outsells the C-Max Energi, they are probably using the actual Fusion Energi measurements now.  The Fusion Energi is more aerodynamic and hence has better range, MPGe, and MPG than the C-Max Energi.  In that case, there probably is no significant change in range, MPGE, or MPG between the 2013-2016 model years and the 2017 model year.   

If you go to Ford's web site, you will now see that the 2017 Fusion Hybrid and Energi have the same MPG:   43 city/41 highway/42 combined.  For the previous model years, the Energi MPG was lower than the Hybrid:  Hybrid was 44 city/41 highway/42 combined.  Energi was 40 city/35 highway/38 combined.  That was because they measured the MPG for a C-Max Energi instead.  It appears for 2017 they are now actually measuring the MPG for a Fusion Energi. 

This was my thought as well as soon as I saw the news. I don't believe that they made any impactful changes to the powertrain. If the C-Max Energi MPGe & EV range also increase then I'll believe that powertrain changes were made. Until then, I just think that they decided to certify the Fusion Energi separate from the C-Max Energi & use it as marketing, faking an improvement.

 

Yes, new more efficient motors and new software result in the increase in efficiency/range.

 

This is from an article back in January, what we didn't know then was what kind of improvement.  http://www.postcrescent.com/story/money/cars/2016/04/08/2017-ford-fusion-reimagines-family-sedan/82658912/

 

"The new Fusion Hybrid and Fusion Energi feature new software that delivers an even more refined and engaging drive for customers, while more efficient electric motors are expected to contribute to better fuel economy and a purer range of electric driving."

I don't believe them. I believe that it's just twisted marketing language that is untrue.

[woeo]

Couldn't have said it better myself. In fact, I actually had to go back and look to see who wrote it because I thought it might have been me a while ago!

 

 

Comparing a Ford Fusion Energi to a Tesla Model S is ridiculous. Instead of the Ford's barely 22-mile EV-only range (if that), the Tesla (70D) gets 240. Instead of 0-60 in 10 seconds (in the Fusion's EV-only mode), the Tesla does it in 5.2 seconds. Instead of needing gas to get up steep hills when it's cold outside or the state of charge is low in the Energi, the Tesla has no problem and never uses gas. The Ford is also 1/2 the price of the 70D Model S, so you get what you pay for.

 

Nobody cares that the Tesla gets 8 MPGe less than the Ford. Oh, boo hoo! If the Ford could accelerate like the Tesla, it would get lower MPGe too (and probably quite a bit less).

 

Ford's pitiful improvements to its EVs and hybrid plug-ins just goes to show that Ford wants to build compliance cars while Tesla wants to build real cars.

 

And this is coming from someone who drives a 2015 Ford Fusion Energi Titanium.

 

With all the huff and puff about Model S this and that, it seems missed that a Tesla EV range is affected by the same factors that hit the Fusion range.  Physics is physics.  Predicted range in a Tesla depends [http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/model-s-efficiency-and-range] on Constant Speed, Flat Ground, No Wind, Climate Control Off, Windows up, Sunroof closed, Tires inflated, No Cargo, New battery pack, etc.  Even then there is a wide variation in range depending on speed.  Factor in cold weather and range is further limited.   Ford may be building compliance cars and Tesla isn't building hybrids with extended range.  The two cars are not competitors.  You need no more evidence for that than the 2.5x price difference.

Edited February 6, 2017 at 07:52 PM by woeo

[dlb92]

This was my thought as well as soon as I saw the news. I don't believe that they made any impactful changes to the powertrain. If the C-Max Energi MPGe & EV range also increase then I'll believe that powertrain changes were made. Until then, I just think that they decided to certify the Fusion Energi separate from the C-Max Energi & use it as marketing, faking an improvement.

 

I don't believe them. I believe that it's just twisted marketing language that is untrue.

They can say it because you get an extra 0.1 mpg out of the more efficient motors.  I actually heard this somewhere from Ford.