ebduda Posted November 18, 2015 at 09:25 PM Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 at 09:25 PM I'm in Colorado and the flat residential rate is .0456 per KWH. I'm amazed at the rates some of you are paying. I estimated my costs by multiplying that by roughly 7.3/kwh to recharge and it comes out to $.33 to go about 20 miles on a full EV charge only. This is about $.016 per mile Ford rates the gas engine Ford Fusion at 22-34 so in reality it's probably 20 - 30 MPG. Let's say combines Hwy/city is 25. Gas prices in Denver are about $2.00 gallon. This equates out to about $.08/ per mile. With my low electrical rates even at these low gas prices the EV option is a great deal. So EV vs. gas is roughly a $.064 per mile savings. If you drive 5000\yr miles in EV this is a $320 savings. Now I seem to have a lot lower electrical rates than most on this board, but gas prices are at unprecedented low levels. Not if but when gas prices go back up to say $3.00/gal., the savings goes up to $520 over 5000 miles. Note: This doesn't even take into account the roughly 43/miles per gallon running in mixed EV/ICE mode. Say you do another 5000/miles a year in this mode and you are cutting your gas bill by roughly 40%. In Colorado I'm estimating my fed and state tax credits around $6200. Ford has a 1200 rebate on 2016's and the Friends and Family discount. Add it all up and for me this was a great deal. The longer you hold onto the car the better the deal becomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted November 18, 2015 at 10:04 PM Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 at 10:04 PM $0.0456 per kWh is your price all day? That's not an off-peak rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted November 18, 2015 at 10:17 PM Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 at 10:17 PM My power company rate is 16 cents per kWh 24 hours a day. My actual rate is about 0.5 cents per kWh due to 10 kW of PV solar panels on the roof of the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug0716 Posted November 19, 2015 at 01:32 AM Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 at 01:32 AM I pay 0.052300/kW here in North Texas before any taxes/fees. About 0.09/kW to 0.10 kW after taxes, depending on usage, which isn't too bad. It is 100% renewables and a 24/7 rate. It has gone down a bit since I signed my contract but such is life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyersnole Posted November 19, 2015 at 01:38 AM Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 at 01:38 AM My rate is 10.22 cents per kWh after all the taxes and fees. Consider myself pretty lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openair Posted November 19, 2015 at 01:57 AM Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 at 01:57 AM (edited) Here in Ontario, Canada I pay $0.08/kw off peak and $0.016/kw on peak. At least that's what they advertise the rates as. Once you add delivery, global adjustment, taxes and other fees it's closer to $0.23/kw average over a month. Next to impossible to figure what the off peak or on peak actual rates are with the way the global adjustment works and how it is just lumped in with delivery and other fees. Of course I also pay the equivalent of about $3.8/g for gas. Was closer to $5/g before gas prices dropped a lot. Edited November 19, 2015 at 01:59 AM by openair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdginmo Posted November 19, 2015 at 02:31 AM Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 at 02:31 AM 0.120 from June through September0.080 from October through May for first 750 kWH0.055 from October through May for anything above 750 kWH My base load is usually in the 650-750 (without charging) in the winter so I'm usually getting a bunch 0.055 electrons flowing into my car. By the way, gasoline can found for $1.51/gallon in St. Louis right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzoojason76 Posted November 19, 2015 at 01:49 PM Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 at 01:49 PM “PEV Winter Rates” October-May (8 months of the year) (Energy and distribution line items added together.)Monday-Friday 7am-11pm 13 cents per kWHWeekends and all week from 11pm-7am are Off-Peak at 9 cents per kWH “PEV Summer Rates”June-September (Energy and distribution line items added together.) Monday-Friday 7am-2pm and 6pm-11pm 15 cents per kWH Monday –Friday 2pm-6pm (4 hours out of the day for 5 days of the week) 22 cents per kWH. Weekends and all week from 11pm-7am are Off-Peak at 9 cents per kWH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzo71 Posted November 19, 2015 at 02:47 PM Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 at 02:47 PM Pepco just makes it too hard...this is from Sept 24-Oct 23 and whats makes it worse is since the Fusion doesnt get 30+ EV miles, I cant get onto the EV program so I have to pay normal rates... Current charges for 30 days, summer rates in effect.Type of charge How we calculate this charge Amount($)Distribution Services:Customer Charge 7.39Energy Charge 872 kWh X $0.0489610 per kWh 42.69Grid Resiliency Charge 872 kWh X $0.0001400 per kWh 0.12Franchise Tax (Delivery) 872 kWh X $0.0006200 per kWh 0.54Universal Service Charge 0.36Peak Energy Savings Credit 1 kWh X $1.2500000- per kWh 1.25−MD EnvironmentalSurcharge 872 kWh X $0.0001470 per kWh 0.13Empower MD Chg 872 kWh X $0.0055260 per kWh 4.82Gross Receipts Tax at 2.0408% 1.15Montgomery CountyEnergy Tax 872 kWh X $0.0113083 per kWh 9.86Administrative Credit 872 kWh X $0.0002912- per kWh 0.25−Total Electric Delivery Charges 65.56 Supply Charges: These charges reflect the cost of producing electricity for you.You can compare this part of your bill to offers from competitive suppliers.Supply Price Comparison Information: Standard Offer Service (SOS) electricity willcost 9.24 cents/kWh beginning on Oct 1, 2015 through May 31, 2016. The price forSOS electricity after May 31, 2016 has not yet been set. The weighted average priceof SOS electricity will be 9.21 cents/kWh through May 31, 2016.Type of charge How we calculate this charge Amount($)Transmission Services:Energy Charge 872 kWh X $0.0075100 per kWh 6.55Gross Receipts Tax at 2.0408% 0.13Generation Services:Energy Charge 872 kWh X $0.0845413 per kWh 73.72Procurement CostAdjustment 872 kWh X $0.0011019- per kWh 0.96−Total Electric Supply Charges 79.44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted November 19, 2015 at 02:58 PM Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 at 02:58 PM (edited) We pay about $0.11/kWh including taxes & fees. It's actually higher than this in the summer & lower in the winter. Well, for the car, we actually pay $40 per month along with our rent for our EV electricity, regardless of use. We tend to use more than $40 worth of electricity in the winter months & less in the summer. Edited November 19, 2015 at 02:58 PM by Hybridbear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebduda Posted November 19, 2015 at 04:04 PM Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 at 04:04 PM (edited) I didn't add taxes and fees into my analysis because you have to pay them regardless of how much electricity I use. My .045 rate is 24/7/365. Our rates could be low because of all the Natural Gas and coal in such close proximity. Edited November 19, 2015 at 04:08 PM by ebduda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebduda Posted November 19, 2015 at 04:10 PM Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 at 04:10 PM Pepco just makes it too hard...this is from Sept 24-Oct 23 and whats makes it worse is since the Fusion doesnt get 30+ EV miles, I cant get onto the EV program so I have to pay normal rates... Current charges for 30 days, summer rates in effect.Type of charge How we calculate this charge Amount($)Distribution Services:Customer Charge 7.39Energy Charge 872 kWh X $0.0489610 per kWh 42.69Grid Resiliency Charge 872 kWh X $0.0001400 per kWh 0.12Franchise Tax (Delivery) 872 kWh X $0.0006200 per kWh 0.54Universal Service Charge 0.36Peak Energy Savings Credit 1 kWh X $1.2500000- per kWh 1.25−MD EnvironmentalSurcharge 872 kWh X $0.0001470 per kWh 0.13Empower MD Chg 872 kWh X $0.0055260 per kWh 4.82Gross Receipts Tax at 2.0408% 1.15Montgomery CountyEnergy Tax 872 kWh X $0.0113083 per kWh 9.86Administrative Credit 872 kWh X $0.0002912- per kWh 0.25−Total Electric Delivery Charges 65.56 Supply Charges: These charges reflect the cost of producing electricity for you.You can compare this part of your bill to offers from competitive suppliers.Supply Price Comparison Information: Standard Offer Service (SOS) electricity willcost 9.24 cents/kWh beginning on Oct 1, 2015 through May 31, 2016. The price forSOS electricity after May 31, 2016 has not yet been set. The weighted average priceof SOS electricity will be 9.21 cents/kWh through May 31, 2016.Type of charge How we calculate this charge Amount($)Transmission Services:Energy Charge 872 kWh X $0.0075100 per kWh 6.55Gross Receipts Tax at 2.0408% 0.13Generation Services:Energy Charge 872 kWh X $0.0845413 per kWh 73.72Procurement CostAdjustment 872 kWh X $0.0011019- per kWh 0.96−Total Electric Supply Charges 79.44 I see your in DC, the land of the professional taxers. They make the bill as complicated as possible so the customer has no idea what they are paying. Your probably getting screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedebi Posted November 19, 2015 at 08:42 PM Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 at 08:42 PM LA Area, DWP 14 cents per kwh up to 100017 cents per kwh 1000 - 200022 cents per kwh above that I calculate costs at 17 cents, we are generally in that tier 2 overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy314 Posted December 3, 2015 at 06:57 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 at 06:57 PM SWOOP: 100% solar, so my rates are $0. :happy feet: Austin Energy averages out about $.10 until you get ove 1500 kWh and then they start to nail you. This year they pay me .113 per kWh produced, next year's rate is only .105. :lol: Ok, enough teasing, but Austin has great rates. If you go ToU, then there is a 4-6 hour block where the rate is (not kidding) -$.023. I cannot get $ back, only bill credit or I'd charge then only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedebi Posted December 3, 2015 at 09:06 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 at 09:06 PM SWOOP: 100% solar, so my rates are $0. :happy feet: Austin Energy averages out about $.10 until you get ove 1500 kWh and then they start to nail you. This year they pay me .113 per kWh produced, next year's rate is only .105. :lol: Ok, enough teasing, but Austin has great rates. If you go ToU, then there is a 4-6 hour block where the rate is (not kidding) -$.023. I cannot get $ back, only bill credit or I'd charge then only.Just goes to show what happens when your utility company isn't required to invest in "green" energy, which is driving up costs here in LA. And will continue to drive up costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzo71 Posted December 4, 2015 at 01:14 PM Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 at 01:14 PM I see your in DC, the land of the professional taxers. They make the bill as complicated as possible so the customer has no idea what they are paying. Your probably getting screwed. nah, Maryland, but just as bad as you can see. I've been looking at other power companies and most will provide a reduce rate for EV. Sadly, PEPCO wont for FF because it doesnt get EPA of 30.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted December 5, 2015 at 02:01 PM Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 at 02:01 PM nah, Maryland, but just as bad as you can see. I've been looking at other power companies and most will provide a reduce rate for EV. Sadly, PEPCO wont for FF because it doesnt get EPA of 30....EPA of 30 what? Miles of EV range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedebi Posted December 7, 2015 at 05:59 PM Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 at 05:59 PM (edited) EPA of 30 what? Miles of EV range?Probably. Here in CA, if they have special rates, it requires a certain battery capacity. The Energi is just below the cutoff (8, if I recall correctly). Edited December 7, 2015 at 05:59 PM by stevedebi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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