cegarbage Posted July 7, 2015 at 12:05 AM Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 at 12:05 AM I have two questions.1. When I fill up with the regular charger that came with my 2015/FFE, it completes the charge to 100% but still states it takes .2H left on 110V or .1 left on a 240V. However, when I'm at work and use Chargepoint, it will say .0 on the 110/240 and say 100% of the charge was completed. It looks like I'm getting a bit more of a charge on the 240 than the 110. Why is that? 2. Whenever my car is fully charged, and depleted by driving, it normally says 5.8kWh used on the trip log. That's 17% less 7.0kWh. Is that normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted July 7, 2015 at 01:04 AM Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 at 01:04 AM 1. 120 volt charging is less efficient than 240 volt charging.2. Part of the battery is reserved for hybrid mode and is not available for EV mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted July 7, 2015 at 03:36 AM Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 at 03:36 AM (edited) 1. When I fill up with the regular charger that came with my 2015/FFE, it completes the charge to 100% but still states it takes .2H left on 110V or .1 left on a 240V. However, when I'm at work and use Chargepoint, it will say .0 on the 110/240 and say 100% of the charge was completed.Where do you see this? I don't quite follow...2. Whenever my car is fully charged, and depleted by driving, it normally says 5.8kWh used on the trip log. That's 17% less 7.0kWh. Is that normal?The car doesn't use all of the 7.2 kWh capacity. The car will not allow the HVB to go below 1.0 kWh and it doesn't charge above about 7.1 kWh. That means that at an absolute maximum you could use about 6.1 kWh from the HVB. It's also important to remember that the display doesn't round, it just truncates. So the 5.8 you see is anywhere from 5.800 to 5.899 kWh actually used. In hybrid mode the car uses the range from 1.0 to 1.5 kWh. It usually tries to keep the charge level around 1.3-1.4 kWh which is why you see 5.8 (7.1 - 1.3 = 5.8). Edited July 7, 2015 at 03:37 AM by Hybridbear meyersnole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gladeplugin Posted September 11, 2015 at 01:45 PM Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 at 01:45 PM I read 8.05kWh AC charging a depleted EV mode on the 110VAC cord, charging through a P3 watthour meter. 2013 17k miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JATR4 Posted September 11, 2015 at 02:19 PM Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 at 02:19 PM (edited) I read 8.05kWh AC charging a depleted EV mode on the 110VAC cord, charging through a P3 watthour meter. 2013 17k miles.Using the 120 cord supplied with the car is only 72% efficient. 8 X 0.72 = 5.8. As Hybridbear stated above the max you can charge is approximately 6.1. 5.8 is in the ballpark. Someone correct it I am wrong. Edited September 11, 2015 at 02:23 PM by JATR4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted September 11, 2015 at 07:18 PM Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 at 07:18 PM Sounds right JATR4. -=>Raja. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaaktnt Posted September 14, 2015 at 11:38 PM Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 at 11:38 PM My two month old car always switches to hybrid mode at 5.2-5.3? Is that normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storksb Posted September 15, 2015 at 12:11 AM Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 12:11 AM Mine is similar, 5.2 5.3 ish but as I get 25 - 27 miles of range it does not concern me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripper Posted December 31, 2015 at 02:11 AM Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 at 02:11 AM Hello. New to forum and just got 2016 Energi 2 days ago. Am trying to figure out economics. When you talk about 7.2 Kwhr, is that what it is taking from the outlet if it is at 0 charge when started? So, if I figure out what my per Kwhr charge is from SDGE, multiply that time 7.2 to figure out what the 20 +/- miles is costing me? Thanks for any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JATR4 Posted December 31, 2015 at 03:24 AM Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 at 03:24 AM Hello. New to forum and just got 2016 Energi 2 days ago. Am trying to figure out economics. When you talk about 7.2 Kwhr, is that what it is taking from the outlet if it is at 0 charge when started? So, if I figure out what my per Kwhr charge is from SDGE, multiply that time 7.2 to figure out what the 20 +/- miles is costing me? Thanks for any help. See post #3 above by Hybridbear and #4 by gladeplugin. A good estimate of how much you can charge a depleted battery is 5.8 kwh. Since the 120 volt charging cord is only 72% efficient you will use approx. 8 kwh from the wall outlet. 7.2 is certainly in the ballpark. tripper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdginmo Posted December 31, 2015 at 06:46 PM Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 at 06:46 PM My two month old car always switches to hybrid mode at 5.2-5.3? Is that normal? In the warm season I was seeing about 5.3-5.4 usage before it switched to hybrid mode. You can typically get another 0.3-0.4 before the ICE actually kicks on though. So altogether I was getting about 5.6-5.8 on a full charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy314 Posted January 24, 2016 at 06:43 AM Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 at 06:43 AM (edited) Wait until you have a 2.5 yo car like mine and a full charge for me can be 4 kwh... taking only 1.5 hours on L2. When I first got her she'd get 5+ and take over 2 hours. I have about 38k miles on mine and about 88% of that is electric. I can only hope when I go to sell it in 2 or so years they still haven't caught on to battery life in their buy back price. I suspect based on my trend to maybe have a 10 mile range by then, but we'll see. Somehow I suspect that Ford will blame me and/or point to the lack of battery performance listing on the warranty; just like Nissan did. Only there isn't the same number of Energis as Leafs, so I doubt we have the power to get something after the fact like they did. Edited January 24, 2016 at 06:44 AM by shaggy314 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlb92 Posted August 18, 2016 at 11:37 PM Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 at 11:37 PM Why don't you try taking it in for warranty replacement? I'm doing that tomorrow. I know people who have had it replaced and I have a copy of their service record showing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My14Energi Posted September 17, 2016 at 09:39 PM Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 at 09:39 PM (edited) I've been getting 5.4 kwh used on a full charge. Is that about right. When it states 5.4 kwh used does it take into consideration the regen? Edited September 17, 2016 at 09:39 PM by My14Energi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdginmo Posted September 18, 2016 at 01:36 AM Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 at 01:36 AM I've been getting 5.4 kwh used on a full charge. Is that about right. When it states 5.4 kwh used does it take into consideration the regen? Assuming that is 5.4 until it switches to hybrid mode (you can typically get a few more tenths kwh until the ICE kicks on) then yes; that is completely normal. That is about what I get under ideal conditions with my 2015 @ 20k miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX NRG Posted September 18, 2016 at 04:43 AM Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 at 04:43 AM My 2013 just passed 40k miles and am down to 4.1 - 4.2 kWh used from a full battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My14Energi Posted September 18, 2016 at 05:39 AM Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 at 05:39 AM 2014...23k miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted September 18, 2016 at 02:25 PM Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 at 02:25 PM Had a nice long drive home last night from Arlington, have to say this one is probably my record longest trip at night unless I forgot about a longer one in the past..., during the day I can get more range as the lights aren't on and my record for that is closer to 35 miles. Now that this summer is almost over, 3 years driving the Cmax looks like I got through this summer with a HVB that is still respectable for the EV miles (31948 out of 55543 total), age and cycles. See MFM trip stats below. I stopped by Ken's house to top it back up before the 30 mile trip home as I figured I wouldn't have a chance to make it 100% EV if I didn't. The 1/2 hour charge when I got home is just to get the battery back out of the hybrid and over 22% charge level actual. I don't like to leave it sit at really low levels. -=>Raja. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revjberg Posted March 28, 2019 at 05:22 PM Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 at 05:22 PM 2016 energi 35k miles 4.2 KWh used on full charge. Ford is saying not to judge battery life on this number, rather EV range after full charge. Mine reads 17 miles. They say that’s within range for my car.. thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzicman61 Posted March 28, 2019 at 05:37 PM Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 at 05:37 PM (edited) Funny how people find and bring up these old threads. :) I don't buy the EV range method either. Mine said 41 this morning after it's overnight full charge. Yet I will see that number drop to 38 in the first mile of my trip to work. Edited March 28, 2019 at 05:38 PM by muzicman61 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewellspent Posted March 29, 2019 at 04:11 PM Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 at 04:11 PM I did a test with my 2015 on Wednesday. 65,700 miles on the car. Estimated Range before leaving home said 23 miles. I used 4.3 kWh and made it 16.4 miles before the car switched to hybrid mode. This morning my car says estimated range of 29 miles. I know that will never happen so this number means nothing. I would say the kWh used means more and I am surprised you were told not to judge the battery on this number. jsamp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsamp Posted March 29, 2019 at 08:28 PM Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 at 08:28 PM (edited) 2016 energi 35k miles 4.2 KWh used on full charge. Ford is saying not to judge battery life on this number, rather EV range after full charge. Mine reads 17 miles. They say that’s within range for my car.. thoughts? Ford says that because they know they are in hot water if you use that (kWh) number. They are LYING to you to try to distract you. the XX miles is nothing but a computer WAG based on previous driving, and will vary widely based on how conservatively you drive. The kWh is the actual amount of energy used from the battery. Whether you drive conservatively or not the total used will not vary (or vary only slightly). I can use 4.2kWh to go 10 miles, or 20 miles, all depending on how I drive. Don't buy the BS from Ford. Edited March 29, 2019 at 08:31 PM by jsamp muzicman61 and Timewellspent 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzicman61 Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:10 PM Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 at 10:10 PM jsamp is correct. This morning I got in my car and it said 41. By the time I got to work, 20 miles later, it said 5 and the full charge value was down to 34. By the time I got back home tonight the full charge value had increased back to 40. I drive pretty conservative and my trip to work never exceeds 45mph. The real thing to look at is the kWh used which in my case, for the trip to work was 4.0kWh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revjberg Posted March 29, 2019 at 11:08 PM Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 at 11:08 PM Exactly! Thankfully, I have a service manager at my local dealer that agrees. We will continue to do more testing. He told me that he is up to the challenge to push Ford on this issue. With only 36k miles, my car tops out at 4.2 kWh. compared to several on this forum, mine is characteristic of a vehicle with twice the mileage. Hoping Ford takes care of this customer. This is my 7th Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsamp Posted March 30, 2019 at 04:10 AM Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 at 04:10 AM Exactly! Thankfully, I have a service manager at my local dealer that agrees. We will continue to do more testing. He told me that he is up to the challenge to push Ford on this issue. With only 36k miles, my car tops out at 4.2 kWh. compared to several on this forum, mine is characteristic of a vehicle with twice the mileage. Hoping Ford takes care of this customer. This is my 7th Ford. Unfortunately you can be as right as you want, Ford won't budge. Many people have tried with worse batteries than yours and they got nothing but the runaround from Ford. Ford's claim is as long as you are getting anything between the stated 0 - 19 miles of range the car is fine. Only 1 person who I know of got a new battery, and that was years ago when this whole thing started with Ford saying "look at the miles, not the kWh." Don't get me wrong, I agree that Ford should be held accountable. Unfortunately even those on this website who claimed they were going the class action lawsuit route fell silent after a few months of complaining. And the service managers eventually were stonewalled by their own parent company. Best of luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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