rbort Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:27 PM Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:27 PM Hey Steve: I believe he is still driving his Energi all electric. If you go to my ford mobile and change the region to FL, you will see he is at 4229 miles in 6th place, slowly incrementing within the range of the battery daily or there abouts. He is basically limited to where he can go with that car on battery only, carting the engine around as dead weight. Won't go anywhere with the engine so as to not screw up the over 500mpg performance he sees on the dash. It would be my best guess that his battery will wear out sooner than others. They only have a limited charge/discharge cycles and using it all the time without using the engine is going to accelerate battery wear. Plus having to recharge it a few times a day to always make your trips on EV power adds extra strain on it, not to mention Florida heat. -=>Raja. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedebi Posted July 29, 2015 at 08:09 PM Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 08:09 PM Hey Steve: I believe he is still driving his Energi all electric. If you go to my ford mobile and change the region to FL, you will see he is at 4229 miles in 6th place, slowly incrementing within the range of the battery daily or there abouts. He is basically limited to where he can go with that car on battery only, carting the engine around as dead weight. Won't go anywhere with the engine so as to not screw up the over 500mpg performance he sees on the dash. It would be my best guess that his battery will wear out sooner than others. They only have a limited charge/discharge cycles and using it all the time without using the engine is going to accelerate battery wear. Plus having to recharge it a few times a day to always make your trips on EV power adds extra strain on it, not to mention Florida heat. -=>Raja.Raja,I was always interested in the fact that he owns a Ford Explorer for long trips. I would always have a more fuel efficient car that that, unless I needed the extra space, which I think he doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted July 29, 2015 at 11:24 PM Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 11:24 PM Yeah, doesn't make any sense Steve does it? Using the Explorer for a longer trip so you can "save" your MPG numbers on the Cmax? To save those numbers you burn twice as much gas with the explorer if not more. The Cmax looks good "on paper", but the bottom line is more costly for the bragging rights. I have a Ford Ranger and it goes nowhere far, just a utility truck that I use to run errands that need it. I would never take it on a road trip out of state, unless I needed it. Always take the Cmax, much more economical than the 4.0L Ranger. Mine is a 98 model, and its got 75k miles on it. -=>Raja. Hybridbear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedebi Posted July 30, 2015 at 05:38 PM Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 at 05:38 PM Yeah, doesn't make any sense Steve does it? Using the Explorer for a longer trip so you can "save" your MPG numbers on the Cmax? To save those numbers you burn twice as much gas with the explorer if not more. The Cmax looks good "on paper", but the bottom line is more costly for the bragging rights. I have a Ford Ranger and it goes nowhere far, just a utility truck that I use to run errands that need it. I would never take it on a road trip out of state, unless I needed it. Always take the Cmax, much more economical than the 4.0L Ranger. Mine is a 98 model, and its got 75k miles on it. -=>Raja.I had that 4.0L ranger in the early 90's. Great engine. I got 23 MPG on the road, 17 MPG in town, as I recall. But it was a stick shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted July 30, 2015 at 09:01 PM Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 at 09:01 PM With respect to Gary, it seems like a total waste to buy a PHEV and never use the gas motor. Why lug around all the extra weight? Just buy a pure EV in the first place and go further between charges. Who gives a darn about your ranking on the MFM website anyway...As mentioned why subject the battery to the deep discharges needlessly anyway. Sure there is a safety margin by Ford but it still has an effect. By the pure EV and then rent a car to go on a trip if all your miles will just be local. Hybridbear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedebi Posted July 31, 2015 at 10:00 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 at 10:00 PM (edited) With respect to Gary, it seems like a total waste to buy a PHEV and never use the gas motor. Why lug around all the extra weight? Just buy a pure EV in the first place and go further between charges. Who gives a darn about your ranking on the MFM website anyway...As mentioned why subject the battery to the deep discharges needlessly anyway. Sure there is a safety margin by Ford but it still has an effect. By the pure EV and then rent a car to go on a trip if all your miles will just be local.I've "known" GaryG for about 7 years via online forums. I think he viewed the C-Max as the logical follow on to the Escape Hybrid, so he traded up. His point has always been to maximize the hybrid range. He had a 2005 Escape Hybrid before his 2009 FEH. However, last I heard he had indeed taken at least one longer trip using the ICE. He ran around with a quarter tank for a long time, and obviously he hits the fuel freshness periodically. He is so thorough that he wanted to siphon fuel from the tank so that it would not have to run long in fuel freshness mode. That's when I learned that the C-Max cannot be siphoned. That is a bit too far for me (as are the more extreme hypermiling methods). I'm sure if he had an EV he would be maximizing that too. Edited July 31, 2015 at 10:00 PM by stevedebi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:55 AM Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:55 AM (edited) He ran around with a quarter tank for a long time, and obviously he hits the fuel freshness periodically. He claimed that he didn't hit the fuel freshness mode because his fuel was sloshing around in the tank right around the 1/4 tank point and the slosh was resetting the fuel freshness mode without having to activate it, remember? He's got several statements like that are "classic". He is so thorough that he wanted to siphon fuel from the tank so that it would not have to run long in fuel freshness mode. Sadly, he was probably the joke of the day, maybe even the year, at the dealer. Can you imagine what the techs were thinking when he came in and asked them to take the fuel out of his Cmax and give it to him in containers so he could put it in his Explorer? I can just see that coffee station conversation piece..."Hey, did you hear about this guy who came in and asked us to ciphon the dealer gas out of his Cmax so he could use it in his other car?" Didn't he also ask them to give him a $40 gift card for it instead? I remember something about that... -=>Raja. Edited August 3, 2015 at 02:57 AM by rbort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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