cegarbage Posted March 22, 2015 at 12:24 AM Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 at 12:24 AM When I first got my car in October, I was getting service engine errors. I took the car in on 11/28 and they reprogrammed the PCM. I had the service engine light come on again today, the first time since then. I do not have any recalls that need to be applied to my car. I tried using a MaxiScan ODBII Scan Tool and no errors came up. Would this device be able to detect an error code? This is a 2015 Fusion Energi with 3300 miles on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryh Posted March 22, 2015 at 01:03 AM Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 at 01:03 AM (edited) ForScan (forscan.org) is the best program to use to detect errors codes. You can also try ET mode to see if it reports any errors. Edited March 22, 2015 at 01:05 AM by larryh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cegarbage Posted March 22, 2015 at 06:08 AM Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 at 06:08 AM Is there a how-to for this program. I searched and something isn't clicking. I'm used to getting a reading in a serial port. How could a Windows 7 device run a scan? I only have portable Android and Chromebook devices. I can bring my windows 7 desktop out to the car if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryh Posted March 22, 2015 at 09:33 AM Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 at 09:33 AM You will need to use your Windows laptop to run ForScan. You first need to establish a Bluetooth connection (or WiFi if the adapter is a WiFi adapter) to the device using Windows. I'm not sure how to pair Bluetooth devices using Windows 7. But after that, ForScan should work without adjusting any settings. If you have a WiFi connection, you will need to set the IP and port addresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cegarbage Posted March 22, 2015 at 05:12 PM Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 at 05:12 PM I only have a desktop, so this isn't easy. Is there any off the shelf device I can plug into the port that will recognize all Ford error codes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryh Posted March 22, 2015 at 05:36 PM Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 at 05:36 PM If you only have a desktop, you would have to purchase an ELM 327 Wifi OBD II adapter and use the Windows network manager to connect to the adapter to run ForScan. I don't know anything about MaxiScan OBDII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug0716 Posted March 22, 2015 at 05:37 PM Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 at 05:37 PM Just take it to the dealership and have them run the codes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cegarbage Posted March 24, 2015 at 11:40 PM Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 at 11:40 PM I took it to the dealer. They can't find anything in their tech bulletins. I posted to car complaints web site, hopefully it will be posted soon. There has to be someone out there that has had this happen to them. If this occurs on your car please get ahold of me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gipuB1Zx7p8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cegarbage Posted March 25, 2015 at 12:58 AM Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at 12:58 AM Here are 2 other videos I took in November when the car had less than 1,000 miles on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ysspbZRkg4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi2_1nRHA84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traumatic Posted March 25, 2015 at 02:23 AM Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at 02:23 AM Did you overfill the gas tank? Fusions have had problems that if you top it off (multiple clicks with the gas pump) it will trigger the check engine light because the breather gets clogged. It self corrects and doesn't happen if you don't try to pump every last drop into the tank. This happened a few times with my 2013 hybrid. You can also run a vehicle health report using Sync and have it sent to your email account and dealership to capture the code when the light triggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russael Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:03 AM Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:03 AM Did you overfill the gas tank? Fusions have had problems that if you top it off (multiple clicks with the gas pump) it will trigger the check engine light because the breather gets clogged. It self corrects and doesn't happen if you don't try to pump every last drop into the tank. This happened a few times with my 2013 hybrid. You can also run a vehicle health report using Sync and have it sent to your email account and dealership to capture the code when the light triggers. If you look in the first video, he is down to about 1/4 tank of gas, so that isn't it. It almost behaves like a relay is stuck and powercycling makes it work. I hope the dealer gets that sorted out for you. These cars have so many friggin parts and pieces that it's like trying to find a needle in a rats nest (of wires). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russael Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:06 AM Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:06 AM (edited) Just noticed something else. How did you get the coach bars on the RIGHT side of the instrument cluster? That must be new to 2015's... or maybe even 2014's. 2013s can only use that on the left. The right screen is limited to the MFM functions and the efficiency tree. edit: grammer nazi'ed myself. :) Edited March 25, 2015 at 12:07 PM by Russael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cegarbage Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:06 AM Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:06 AM Thanks for the suggestions. A few days ago the car was 1/3 filled, the other videos from November show the tank one notch below full. I never top off. I ran a vehicle health Saturday and nothing showed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cegarbage Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:08 AM Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:08 AM The coach bars show up on the right for 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:15 AM Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:15 AM This may be simple, but is the check engine light on because the car is not "ON"? I.e. you powered up without your foot on the brake? I see no little green car on the dash meaning the car is not "ready to drive". -=>Raja. jeff_h 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cegarbage Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:31 AM Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at 04:31 AM (edited) I can't imagine putting my foot on the accelerator to backup without starting up with my foot on the brake. Especially since each scenario I would have rammed into a cement wall if I went forward. I think the green car on the dash is not ready to drive because the check engine light is on. So, "chicken and egg" scenario. But I appreciate your comment and will stick in the memory bank the next time it appears...And I'm certain it will appear. Edited March 25, 2015 at 11:23 AM by jeff_h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryh Posted March 25, 2015 at 09:34 AM Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at 09:34 AM You aren't going to see any DTCs when the check engine light is on for the reason you have posted. It is on because you are not in the run mode where you can drive the car. Did you ever see the "Ready to Drive" indicator on the display before attempting to drive the car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russael Posted March 25, 2015 at 12:11 PM Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at 12:11 PM That observation totally went over my head. Good catch, rbort. This got me the first time I test drove a Focus Electric that has pushbutton start. My Expo doesn't care if your foot is on the brake or not (it's old, 1999 era) so long as it is in park or neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedebi Posted March 25, 2015 at 05:23 PM Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at 05:23 PM The coach bars show up on the right for 2015. That would be a pretty simple software update to a 2014. Too bad Ford doesn't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted March 26, 2015 at 12:47 AM Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 at 12:47 AM I can't imagine putting my foot on the accelerator to backup without starting up with my foot on the brake. Especially since each scenario I would have rammed into a cement wall if I went forward. I think the green car on the dash is not ready to drive because the check engine light is on. So, "chicken and egg" scenario.The green car and CEL are not mutually exclusive. It looks like you aren't actually starting the car. Based on your videos this is operator error. You are not starting the car correctly and thus you're getting the CEL and no green car "ready to drive" symbol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JATR4 Posted March 26, 2015 at 02:14 AM Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 at 02:14 AM (edited) About a year ago one person on this forum was parked on a slope and "started" his FFE and it coasted into the garage wall. Turns out he didn't start the car because he turned the key before pushing on the brake. He put the car in reverse and and it coasted into the wall. The brakes don't respond well when the car isn't started. That is why you should always start the car in park and look for the ready to drive light. As Hybridbear stated it is operator error. My observation. There is nothing wrong with this car. You need to learn how to start the vehicle. Put your foot on the brake and then turn the key while the car is in park. It is really that simple. Edited March 26, 2015 at 02:16 AM by JATR4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzo71 Posted March 26, 2015 at 11:01 AM Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 at 11:01 AM The green car and CEL are not mutually exclusive. It looks like you aren't actually starting the car. Based on your videos this is operator error. You are not starting the car correctly and thus you're getting the CEL and no green car "ready to drive" symbol. I wanted to say all of that, but decided that I'd let someone else chime in Hybridbear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cegarbage Posted March 26, 2015 at 05:23 PM Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 at 05:23 PM It's absolutely not an issue with me not starting the car right. For kicks, I consciously started the car without my foot on the break and it started. That's the first, and last time I will ever do that, I'm normally parked in my garage and would risk driving through it if my foot weren't on the break. There have been times when this has occurred that the gear shift has locked and I have been unable to move between gears. I don't have it on recording. The one good point mentioned was the green light does not appear in all cases. I didn't notice that. The only thing I can think is it's difficult to tell if an electric ignition really starts because they start so quietly. At least in the last video, it is apparent by the camera I did start the ignition because you can see my right hand turn the ignition back off before restarting. The next time this occurs I'm going to stick my reader in the port and see if I can get a reading. Since the error resets itself and is not being held, it does not appear I can get a reading without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JATR4 Posted March 26, 2015 at 05:49 PM Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 at 05:49 PM (edited) It's absolutely not an issue with me not starting the car right. For kicks, I consciously started the car without my foot on the break and it started. That's the first, and last time I will ever do that, I'm normally parked in my garage and would risk driving through it if my foot weren't on the break. There have been times when this has occurred that the gear shift has locked and I have been unable to move between gears. I don't have it on recording. The one good point mentioned was the green light does not appear in all cases. I didn't notice that. The only thing I can think is it's difficult to tell if an electric ignition really starts because they start so quietly. At least in the last video, it is apparent by the camera I did start the ignition because you can see my right hand turn the ignition back off before restarting. The next time this occurs I'm going to stick my reader in the port and see if I can get a reading. Since the error resets itself and is not being held, it does not appear I can get a reading without it.You can't start the car unless your foot is on the BRAKE!!!!! And in order to start the car it must be in park or neutral--in addition to having your foot on the BRAKE. How can the car drive through the garage wall if the car is in park or neutral? It can't. I maintain that you don't know how to start/drive this vehicle. The vehicle has not started unless the ready to drive light shows up. You cannot start the vehicle in reverse or drive. Everything in your videos is normal because you don't understand how to properly start the vehicle!!!!!!!!!!! Edited March 26, 2015 at 05:56 PM by JATR4 Hybridbear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cegarbage Posted March 26, 2015 at 06:07 PM Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 at 06:07 PM JATR4 isn't providing any benefit to the string, so I'm going to make this solved before it degenerates further.Thanks to some of you that provided suggestions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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