dudley Posted February 23, 2015 at 12:45 AM Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 at 12:45 AM (edited) I want to start a new thread about mpg out of the ford fusion energi we drive. So to start off with I would like to say that this car has done better than I expected. My daily grind to and from work is 70 miles. The drive in the morning is 28 highway and 4.5 on city streets, the drive in the late afternoon is 37 miles which is all city 25 to 45 mph. For the last 3 weeks I've been averaging 70 mpg. The weather here has been a low 40's in the morning to the mid 50's on the way home. I drive in EV to the freeway and switch to hybrid mode, cruise control to 62 mph and enjoy the drive. On my drive home I will encounter a few rolling hills and one steep hill. I use EV for everything but the steep hill, going down is about a 2 mile road, I try to get as much regen as possible. I use 1 to .07 kwh in the morning and all the rest in the afternoon drive, for a total of 5.4 to 5.6 kwh. My last fill up was 827 miles and I used 11.8 gallons of gas and 70.1 kwh of electricity. That was 10 days and driving to work. I also have a Kia hybrid that I drove to the same work site for 1.5 years that had 40 mpg life time (great car). Edited February 23, 2015 at 12:49 AM by dudley Rexracer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted February 23, 2015 at 01:12 AM Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 at 01:12 AM Awesome! Any chance of being able to charge at work? Maybe a 120V outlet somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudley Posted February 23, 2015 at 04:05 AM Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 at 04:05 AM No chance. I put in the suggestion box more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzo71 Posted February 23, 2015 at 02:26 PM Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 at 02:26 PM I'm 82 miles a day, with about 80/20 hwy/local and i'm at 53 mpg. Cant charge at work and I use CC as much as I can. Sadly, I have a lot of stop and go traffic in the afternoon...I stay warm tho so I dont mind the lower mpg for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudley Posted February 23, 2015 at 04:15 PM Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 at 04:15 PM Hi Lonzo71, I to have a lot of lights and sign ( 24 + 10 on my drive home ) also 1/2 mile back up going up hill waiting on a light to make a left turn. I think 53 mpg is very good as well. do you save your EV for the stop + go or do you use the auto. Later, Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexracer Posted February 23, 2015 at 04:40 PM Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 at 04:40 PM Impressive numbers for the amount of miles driven per day (not all EV). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzo71 Posted February 24, 2015 at 03:51 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 at 03:51 PM I use auto now, I did try and use EV for local roads in the morning and then the rest in the afternoons and I think that lowered my numbers... I have to correct myself, my mpg so far is 51 and thats not from July, but when I had it serviced in Dec? So the mpg is just for the winter months. I hope my avg will be in the upper 60s year round. Still, its much better than my 2010 fusion hybrid living in the DC metro area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzo71 Posted June 11, 2015 at 11:11 AM Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 at 11:11 AM this is my daily (this morning) commute numbers. Not bad..and my avg miles is now over 61..well, its 61.1 but keeps changing to 61 ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted June 11, 2015 at 05:07 PM Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 at 05:07 PM (edited) this is my daily (this morning) commute numbers. Not bad..and my avg miles is now over 61..well, its 61.1 but keeps changing to 61 ;)Do you see a significant improvement in MPG by saving your HVB for the afternoon? Have you tried using most of it in the morning to see if you'd get less overall gas use by doing that? Edited June 11, 2015 at 05:08 PM by Hybridbear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzo71 Posted June 11, 2015 at 06:55 PM Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 at 06:55 PM (edited) Well, I use the HVB for local roads or when I'm going down hill and breaking at the same time and my stop/go traffic on the hwy. Because of that stop/go traffic in the evenings, it goes from about 80 to over 100 mpg. I have used all of the battery in the morning and yes, I get better but it really hurts my evening...like making it in the 40s mpg. I'll post tonights and then show you tomorrow using the battery in the morning and having nothing for the evening. Now, the numbers might change a little because it got hot today and i'll be using the AC this afternoon and tomorrow afternoon. I doubt i'll use it in the morning..tho maybe I should, just to see what the diff from this morning vs tomorrow morning. I should note that i went out to lunch so the evenings battery use wont be totally right ;) Edited June 11, 2015 at 06:56 PM by lonzo71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzo71 Posted June 12, 2015 at 10:50 AM Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 at 10:50 AM Thursday evening commute with AC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzo71 Posted June 12, 2015 at 10:51 AM Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 at 10:51 AM (edited) Friday morning commute using auto except on hills.. I'm surprised it was that much...a shame I cant charge at work.... Edited June 12, 2015 at 10:52 AM by lonzo71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted June 12, 2015 at 02:43 PM Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 at 02:43 PM Where do you work? Maybe you can charge nearby and walk to work the rest of the way, pickup the car at lunch and bring it back to the office? -=>Raja. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzo71 Posted June 12, 2015 at 03:42 PM Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 at 03:42 PM there is a charger a few miles away I might be able to do it, but getting there would be a hassle, and walking/bus isnt an option. Just have to work the building manager more I guess. A shame there isnt more people in the building using plugins.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russael Posted June 16, 2015 at 12:50 AM Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 at 12:50 AM I made a 187 mile round tripper today in the car. The trip there ate 1.9kwh from the battery, 41% of the trip was in an EV mode, scored 53MPGe. Trip back ate 3.1kwh from the battery, 50% in an EV mode, scored a nice 60MPGe. Display said 1.4 gallons of gas. This one was higher because we ran in to traffic and I put the car in to EV mode while we traveled at about 25MPH for a good 5 miles. Was interesting watching the battery estimate actually go up while moving. Trip was spent mostly at 65MPH with the AC on 72, recirculate turned on as well. Oh, how I love adaptive cruise. I will never get another vehicle without it. I'll have to check my trip meter to see how many gallons of gas was actually used for the trip there. I would assume around 1.6 gallons. 187 / 3 = 62.6MPG Hybridbear and lonzo71 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted June 16, 2015 at 02:08 PM Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 at 02:08 PM I did 120 miles yesterday on 1.94 gallons and a full HVB. I think this was my best ever MPG & MPGe for this trip. rbort and lonzo71 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted June 16, 2015 at 02:35 PM Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 at 02:35 PM (edited) I was right with ya this past weekend, 116 miles on one charge, 1.83 gallons or 63.5 mpg. First trip all EV to Dunkin donuts before getting on the highway. Nice work! -=>Raja. Edited June 16, 2015 at 02:36 PM by rbort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted June 16, 2015 at 04:03 PM Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 at 04:03 PM I was right with ya this past weekend, 116 miles on one charge, 1.83 gallons or 63.5 mpg. First trip all EV to Dunkin donuts before getting on the highway. Nice work! -=>Raja.Why does one trip say MPGe in MFM and one says MPG? You must have been going more slowly than I was. My drive was about 2 miles city and 118 miles freeway at 65+ MPH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted June 16, 2015 at 04:21 PM Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 at 04:21 PM (edited) Because I have the option in the car to switch from Fuel only to Fuel and Electric. When I do Fuel and Electric MFM and the car reports MPGe, when I choose fuel only then the car reports MPG. I use MPGe when I drive all electric and MPG when I run the engine in combination with the battery. Makes more sense that way to me. I drove 65mph on the highway but the slower on route 12 and 140 as the speed limits are slower. You can see the details of that post on the Cmax forum (4th trip to NH out of state). -=>Raja. Edited June 16, 2015 at 04:23 PM by rbort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted June 16, 2015 at 05:11 PM Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 at 05:11 PM Because I have the option in the car to switch from Fuel only to Fuel and Electric. When I do Fuel and Electric MFM and the car reports MPGe, when I choose fuel only then the car reports MPG. I use MPGe when I drive all electric and MPG when I run the engine in combination with the battery. Makes more sense that way to me. I drove 65mph on the highway but the slower on route 12 and 140 as the speed limits are slower. You can see the details of that post on the Cmax forum (4th trip to NH out of state). -=>Raja.I have always left our car on MPGe. So if I switch the display in the car back & forth from trip to trip the MFM trip log will show whichever unit was selected when the car was turned off? I like MPGe even when I'm running the ICE so that the overall number still factors in the electricity use, but that's just my personal preference. I'll go check out your thread on the C-Max Energi Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted June 16, 2015 at 05:21 PM Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 at 05:21 PM Yes, if you switch the car to MPG then MFM will show MPG not MPGe. That's how it worked originally for us lucky folks who got the cars before MPGe got hacked out. The reason I use MPG when the engine runs is that all the electric I get at home or on the road is free, so, the overall performance of the car is what it burned for gas for the total trip, or MPG. MPGe I use when driving electric only so I can gage how well I'm driving and get a live indicator of my MPGe which I can correlate to range from experience. The car does the same but I like to see the mpge as MPG is going to show 999.9 which is meaningless. Using MPGe for me is for that (feedback of how I'm driving) and has nothing to do with cost of electric. -=>Raja. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted June 16, 2015 at 05:48 PM Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 at 05:48 PM Yes, if you switch the car to MPG then MFM will show MPG not MPGe. That's how it worked originally for us lucky folks who got the cars before MPGe got hacked out. The reason I use MPG when the engine runs is that all the electric I get at home or on the road is freeCool! I didn't know that. How is your electricity at home free? MPGe I use when driving electric only so I can gage how well I'm driving and get a live indicator of my MPGe which I can correlate to range from experience. The car does the same but I like to see the mpge as MPG is going to show 999.9 which is meaningless. Using MPGe for me is for that (feedback of how I'm driving) and has nothing to do with cost of electric.I also like MPGe while driving for the instant feedback about the trip. I reset the MPGe display on the Empower screen at the end of every trip so that I can track my trips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbort Posted June 16, 2015 at 05:53 PM Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 at 05:53 PM (edited) Solar panels, have not paid an electric bill since August of 2013, instead I use electric for free plus I get a paycheck monthly for excess electric not used not to mention quarterly SREC payments. As far as your settings in your car, I understand you like to see total electric and fuel combined, but you plugged in your car for free at the hotel because you stayed overnight and at the garage while you ate or did something else, so the bottom line for your car's performance is the MPG number not MPGe. If you had a hybrid and didn't have the option to plug it in, then the car would report MPG to you not MPGe. Similarly if you had an ICE car, you would fill it up and be excited that you pumped back in 10 gallons after a 300 mile trip and got 30mpg. -=>Raja. Edited June 16, 2015 at 05:55 PM by rbort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridbear Posted June 16, 2015 at 07:27 PM Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 at 07:27 PM As far as your settings in your car, I understand you like to see total electric and fuel combined, but you plugged in your car for free at the hotel because you stayed overnight and at the garage while you ate or did something else, so the bottom line for your car's performance is the MPG number not MPGe.Not true. If I was only concerned about my cost then MPG would be the right number in this case. But I'm concerned with total energy use. MPGe shows total energy use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedebi Posted June 18, 2015 at 03:55 PM Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 at 03:55 PM Yes, if you switch the car to MPG then MFM will show MPG not MPGe. That's how it worked originally for us lucky folks who got the cars before MPGe got hacked out. The reason I use MPG when the engine runs is that all the electric I get at home or on the road is free, so, the overall performance of the car is what it burned for gas for the total trip, or MPG. MPGe I use when driving electric only so I can gage how well I'm driving and get a live indicator of my MPGe which I can correlate to range from experience. The car does the same but I like to see the mpge as MPG is going to show 999.9 which is meaningless. Using MPGe for me is for that (feedback of how I'm driving) and has nothing to do with cost of electric. -=>Raja.I would like to have both in my 2014 C-Max, but on the other hand, I can view raw MPG in the car, and MPGe on the MFM site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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