Anyone order a Fusion Energi?

[jberger]

As said before, my dealer told me the same thing.  He told me it was just because they want to release many at the same time.

 

I'm surprised they haven't released a few for media reviews.  This is usually a smart PR move to get that much added interest in the technology and the benefits to owning one.  It stops potential buyers that were about to purchase a different make, to postpone.

[yojroz]

I'm surprised they haven't released a few for media reviews.  This is usually a smart PR move to get that much added interest in the technology and the benefits to owning one.  It stops potential buyers that were about to purchase a different make, to postpone.

Agreed.  And the CMax Energi has gotten such good reviews for the engine, and the gas and hybrid Fusions have been reviewed so well, that it seems like there's nothing to lose for them...aside from Car and Driver or Motor Trend saying that it only gets 40 mpg instead of 47.

[pluggedin]

My dealer gave me my VIN.  He didn't have a build date yet though.  I went to this site http://www.researchmaniacs.com/Ford/TrackFactoryCarOrders.html but it says my VIN can't be found.  Perhaps it takes a few days from a VIN being created to being in the system?

It took 8 days after I got my VIN for the Window Sticker to show up.

[pluggedin]

Great, looks like mine was sent to Detroit like a lot of the Energi's.  My rep was in today and told me that they are sending a lot of Fusions to a large storage area in Detroit.  He didn't know why.  There has to be a reason.  I think it may be because they want to deliver to the masses at the same time.  Obviously it can be questioned that there is a quality control issue, or even a re issue of the MPGe ratings?  Wish I knew! Just want the dang car!

 

Awaiting Shipment Sent Offsite - 15-36m (Allied Systems Ltd ) Ford Hermosillo Assembly, SO Feb-22-2013, 18:00 MT TBD 

 

 

Wait! My car was 'awaiting shipment sent offsite' on 2/14/13 and is still there. I have no word at all that it is going to Detroit. From what I remember, the cars going to Detroit were caught up in the retooling of two molds around October and November of last year and they were Hybrids only...as far as I know. Sure hope your Rep is wrong.

Edited February 23, 2013 at 04:53 AM by pluggedin

[jberger]

Wait! My car was 'awaiting shipment sent offsite' on 2/14/13 and is still there. I have no word at all that it is going to Detroit. From what I remember, the cars going to Detroit were caught up in the retooling of a two molds around October and November of last year and they were Hybrids only...as far as I know. Sure hope your Rep is wrong.

 

I was wrong.  I was told that "offsite" just means that it was moved to a different lot offsite to wait for rail.  If it goes somewhere else it would say so.

[yojroz]

I was wrong.  I was told that "offsite" just means that it was moved to a different lot offsite to wait for rail.  If it goes somewhere else it would say so.

 

Hope so.

 

It took 8 days after I got my VIN for the Window Sticker to show up.

Thanks for the info.  I guess I'm too antsy!

[pluggedin]

I was wrong.  I was told that "offsite" just means that it was moved to a different lot offsite to wait for rail.  If it goes somewhere else it would say so.

Whew, you had me worried for moment.

[pluggedin]

Hope so.

 

Thanks for the info.  I guess I'm too antsy!

You're not the only one. I checked for my sticker like four or five times a day for eight days. Wore the site out.

[newbeetle18t]

I'll be placing an order for my Fusion Energi tomorrow via the X Plan.  We breifly discussed that I would be able to lock in the $1500 rebate along with the $750 offer I received in the mail.  I also confirmed they would only be charging a $100 doc fee per X Plan rules.

 

Does anyone know if could also combine the  0% 48 month financing along with the $1500 rebate or is it one or the other?

[meyersnole]

It is one or the other. You can see all the incentives here: http://www.ford.com/incentives/?srccode=313280&cks=118263950&emailid=13q1_ford_xxxb_ev_nl

 

Offers can not be used in combination with other offers. Please see your dealer for details.

 

Offer 1 of 3

$1,500

Retail Customer Cash ¹

and $1,000

Competitive Lease Conquest ²

 

 

Offer 2 of 3

APR Financing ³

0.0 % for 36 months
0.0 % for 48 months
0.9 % for 60 months
2.9 % for 72 months

and $1,000

Competitive Lease Conquest ⁴

 

Offer 3 of 3

$1,000

Competitive Lease Conquest ⁵

 

1.Program #12302:Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 04/01/2013. Not all Fusion Energi models may qualify. See dealer for residency restrictions and complete details.
2.Competitive Lease Conquest (34318) is available to customers that currently lease a competitive (non-Ford Motor Company) vehicle or have terminated a competitive lease up to 30 days prior to new retail delivery. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 04/01/2013. Residency restrictions apply. See dealer for complete details.
3.Program #20408: Not all buyers will qualify. Ford Credit limited-term APR financing. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 04/01/2013. Not all Fusion Energi models may qualify. See dealer for residency restrictions qualifications and complete details.
4.Competitive Lease Conquest (34318) is available to customers that currently lease a competitive (non-Ford Motor Company) vehicle or have terminated a competitive lease up to 30 days prior to new retail delivery. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 04/01/2013. Residency restrictions apply. See dealer for complete details.
5.Competitive Lease Conquest (34318) is available to customers that currently lease a competitive (non-Ford Motor Company) vehicle or have terminated a competitive lease up to 30 days prior to new retail delivery. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 04/01/2013. Residency restrictions apply. See dealer for complete details.

 

 

[jberger]

It is one or the other. You can see all the incentives here: http://www.ford.com/incentives/?srccode=313280&cks=118263950&emailid=13q1_ford_xxxb_ev_nl

 

Offers can not be used in combination with other offers. Please see your dealer for details.

 

Offer 1 of 3

$1,500

Retail Customer Cash ¹

and $1,000

Competitive Lease Conquest ²

 

 

Offer 2 of 3

APR Financing ³

0.0 % for 36 months

0.0 % for 48 months

0.9 % for 60 months

2.9 % for 72 months

and $1,000

Competitive Lease Conquest ⁴

 

Offer 3 of 3

$1,000

Competitive Lease Conquest ⁵

 

1.Program #12302:Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 04/01/2013. Not all Fusion Energi models may qualify. See dealer for residency restrictions and complete details.

2.Competitive Lease Conquest (34318) is available to customers that currently lease a competitive (non-Ford Motor Company) vehicle or have terminated a competitive lease up to 30 days prior to new retail delivery. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 04/01/2013. Residency restrictions apply. See dealer for complete details.

3.Program #20408: Not all buyers will qualify. Ford Credit limited-term APR financing. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 04/01/2013. Not all Fusion Energi models may qualify. See dealer for residency restrictions qualifications and complete details.

4.Competitive Lease Conquest (34318) is available to customers that currently lease a competitive (non-Ford Motor Company) vehicle or have terminated a competitive lease up to 30 days prior to new retail delivery. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 04/01/2013. Residency restrictions apply. See dealer for complete details.

5.Competitive Lease Conquest (34318) is available to customers that currently lease a competitive (non-Ford Motor Company) vehicle or have terminated a competitive lease up to 30 days prior to new retail delivery. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 04/01/2013. Residency restrictions apply. See dealer for complete details.

 

 

 

you don't want to lease?  Its a better deal to do a 24 or 36 month lease.  You should get $3750 rebate.  If you purchase it you can only use the $3750 as a tax credit for 2013.  If you do the math, even if you just purchase the car at the end of the lease it should still be a better deal.

[meyersnole]

Never really understood leases. Why would it be a better deal? The $3750 as a tax credit or rebate is a wash.

 

Bought my energi with the xplan, so got a pretty good deal with out the hassle of negotiating it. Then got to put the $1500 & $750 private cash offer on top of that.

 

I did consider asking about the Focus EV for lease, but have always heard that unless you only want to keep cars a few years they don't make sense. Would have considered the EV because I am not sure I could live with that car long term.

[Scooter80]

Dealer just called and said mine was produced and is waiting on the ramp. He says 5 or 7 days. I'm excited. I got so lucky with this after hearing all the stories of having ordered in November or earlier. I just started actively looking for an Energi after our tax return showed a bigger than expected refund. So when we found the exact Energi we wanted on the website as dealer ordered, we went for it. That was only last week and the anticipation is killing me. Can't imagine how I'd fair if I had to wait as long as some of you guys!! I feel for ya!

 

Anyways, had a question about the $750 coupon. Like a dullard, I pitched one a few weeks ago since I wasn't in the market at the time and it was expiring before I thought I would be. Sooooo, I'm trying any way I can to get another, but anyone know how long the most recent ones are good for? I've got the 1500 autoshow incentive written in our bill of sale, but still trying to get anything I can. This dealer was the best offer after I submitted several online requests for best price. They came back at 900 over invoice, so I can't complain too much, but another $750 off will knock $15 off my monthly! Every bit helps. Maybe I'll call them back and see if they'll do it without the paper coupon.

[pluggedin]

you don't want to lease?  Its a better deal to do a 24 or 36 month lease.  You should get $3750 rebate.  If you purchase it you can only use the $3750 as a tax credit for 2013.  If you do the math, even if you just purchase the car at the end of the lease it should still be a better deal.

jberger, are you saying you get the $3,750 rebate, when you lease, AND you can take the tax credit as well in 2013?

[Scooter80]

jberger, are you saying you get the $3,750 rebate, when you lease, AND you can take the tax credit as well in 2013?

 

The government says the leasing company gets the rebate, not the person leasing the vehicle. My understanding is that that's why Ford is offering the $3,750 incentive on leases of the Energi. To pass that rebate they will get by having produced the qualifying car and leased it to an individual. That qualifies them to receive the rebate, so now they're passing it on to their leasing customer. If you lease through a third party (not Ford financial) you might not ever get that rebate.

[jberger]

jberger, are you saying you get the $3,750 rebate, when you lease, AND you can take the tax credit as well in 2013?

 

No,you can't get both.  Still, the lease is a lower payment than any purchase, even at 2% money.  Plus you are protected by a residual if you want to get rid of the car in 2 or 3 years. If you purchase the car, you'll get the $3750 tax credit, but keep in mind, thats just a tax credit, not actual rebate into your pocket.  It really depends on your taxes, and we all are different there.  It doesn't helps me, but not to the extent the lease does.  

 

I'm in the auto industry, and I like to get rid of cars every 2-3 years, so it's a better, smarter way for me to buy.  Obviously if you do a purchase on a plug in, it really makes no sense at all as far as payback.  I love driving hybrids, and my lease payment is lower on a Energi than the standard Hybrid.  

 

I'll just have to throw my golf back in the back seat unfortunately!

[pluggedin]

No,you can't get both.  Still, the lease is a lower payment than any purchase, even at 2% money.  Plus you are protected by a residual if you want to get rid of the car in 2 or 3 years. If you purchase the car, you'll get the $3750 tax credit, but keep in mind, thats just a tax credit, not actual rebate into your pocket.  It really depends on your taxes, and we all are different there.  It doesn't helps me, but not to the extent the lease does.  

 

I'm in the auto industry, and I like to get rid of cars every 2-3 years, so it's a better, smarter way for me to buy.  Obviously if you do a purchase on a plug in, it really makes no sense at all as far as payback.  I love driving hybrids, and my lease payment is lower on a Energi than the standard Hybrid.  

 

I'll just have to throw my golf back in the back seat unfortunately!

Thanks jberger. I have the resources to pay cash for the car but I am thinking the technology on these cars will advance pretty quickly so I began to think a lease might be a better way to go so I could swap the car out in a few years, if I thought it would be beneficial to me. I will not finance the car though.

 

My salesman was talking to me about a 2 year lease that he felt was better, interest wise, than the Red Carpet lease but we have not had time to get into the details. Time to delivery is getting shorter now though...I hope.

[apm]

No,you can't get both.  Still, the lease is a lower payment than any purchase, even at 2% money.  Plus you are protected by a residual if you want to get rid of the car in 2 or 3 years. If you purchase the car, you'll get the $3750 tax credit, but keep in mind, thats just a tax credit, not actual rebate into your pocket.  It really depends on your taxes, and we all are different there.  It doesn't helps me, but not to the extent the lease does.  

 

I'm in the auto industry, and I like to get rid of cars every 2-3 years, so it's a better, smarter way for me to buy.  Obviously if you do a purchase on a plug in, it really makes no sense at all as far as payback.  I love driving hybrids, and my lease payment is lower on a Energi than the standard Hybrid.  

 

I'll just have to throw my golf back in the back seat unfortunately!

The lease for a base Energi Ti according to the Ford website is $325 for a 24 month lease, but it requires a 10% capitalized cost reduction or $4100. It includes the $3750 rebate. Total payments would be around $11,900 (including down payment). It would be good to know what is the residual value after 24 months, or how much it would cost to buy the car at that time. The cost of the lease increase almost $100 a month if you go from 24 to 48 months (total payment $23,828)... the depreciation must increase significantly in the last 12 to 24 months. Per the website this numbers do not include tags and fess and the like, but I would assume they will add st least another $1000 to the lease cost (at least in Florida... just new tags are almost $500).

 

There is a $1500 incentive for purchasing the car and interest rate are as low as 1.55% (www.blueharborauto.com), and you can get the $3750 tax rebate next year. The montly payment for a $31645 (40,995-4100-3750-1500 rebates) at 1.55% is $680 for 48 months. I used the same numbers as in the lease for an apples to appleas comparison but I knocked off the 3750 and the 1500 rebates from the finance.   

 

Total payments for the finance are $36740 ($660*48+4100) while the lease at 48 months is only $23,828 ($411*24+4100) or a net diiference of $12.912. If at the end of 4 years you can get more than $12,912 for the car, the purchasing option is better. I have a 2010 Fusion Hybrid with 29.5k miles which I bought in September 2009 for $31440 or $500 below sticker and the web sites tell me is worth about $18k on a trade or $21K on a private sale. I certainly believe that the Fusion Energi TI will be worth more than $12K in 2017.

 

I believe that at the current interest rates, mid- and long-term (keeping the car at least 48 months) is better to buy rather than lease, but short term (24 to 36 months) it may be better to lease.

 

Regards,

APM

[shaggy314]

Thanks jberger. I have the resources to pay cash for the car but I am thinking the technology on these cars will advance pretty quickly so I began to think a lease might be a better way to go so I could swap the car out in a few years, if I thought it would be beneficial to me. I will not finance the car though.

 

My salesman was talking to me about a 2 year lease that he felt was better, interest wise, than the Red Carpet lease but we have not had time to get into the details. Time to delivery is getting shorter now though...I hope.

 

Actually, if you can afford cash, double check the math and not pay cash. If you can get 0 - 2% financing, you'd likely do better with the money on your own and pay the car off over 4 years. I can earn 5% on my money and if Ford is willing to give me a 1.9% or so interest rate, heck, i come out ahead. At 1.49% the interest is barely $1500 over 4 years on a mid 40k car. I have the cash too, but will earn hundreds over the 4 years over the little I pay to Ford in interest that I'd lose out by paying cash.

 

It's like bragging about getting a large tax refund, you are really bragging about an interest free loan to the government, and being bad at doing your taxes. I'd rather have my cash all year long and pay in a few hundred at tax time.

[Scooter80]

.. I can earn 5% on my money and if Ford is willing to give me a 1.9% or so interest rate, heck, i come out ahead. ...

 

It's like bragging about getting a large tax refund, you are really bragging about an interest free loan to the government, and being bad at doing your taxes. I'd rather have my cash all year long and pay in a few hundred at tax time.

 

Will you invest my money?! I'd love to get 5%! Lol, kudos to you though! ;-)

 

If the second remark was a general remark, then disregard, but if it references my earlier post, I can only defend myself by blaming the larger than expected refund on getting married during last tax year. I elected for the worst, but it turned out better. I am certainly no tax expert or accountant, so ill try to do better for this year, but a large refund ain't so bad, even if the govt did make more from it than I ever could.

[jposs]

The lease for a base Energi Ti according to the Ford website is $325 for a 24 month lease, but it requires a 10% capitalized cost reduction or $4100. It includes the $3750 rebate. Total payments would be around $11,900 (including down payment). It would be good to know what is the residual value after 24 months, or how much it would cost to buy the car at that time. The cost of the lease increase almost $100 a month if you go from 24 to 48 months (total payment $23,828)... the depreciation must increase significantly in the last 12 to 24 months. Per the website this numbers do not include tags and fess and the like, but I would assume they will add st least another $1000 to the lease cost (at least in Florida... just new tags are almost $500).

 

There is a $1500 incentive for purchasing the car and interest rate are as low as 1.55% (www.blueharborauto.com), and you can get the $3750 tax rebate next year. The montly payment for a $31645 (40,995-4100-3750-1500 rebates) at 1.55% is $680 for 48 months. I used the same numbers as in the lease for an apples to appleas comparison but I knocked off the 3750 and the 1500 rebates from the finance.   

 

Total payments for the finance are $36740 ($660*48+4100) while the lease at 48 months is only $23,828 ($411*24+4100) or a net diiference of $12.912. If at the end of 4 years you can get more than $12,912 for the car, the purchasing option is better. I have a 2010 Fusion Hybrid with 29.5k miles which I bought in September 2009 for $31440 or $500 below sticker and the web sites tell me is worth about $18k on a trade or $21K on a private sale. I certainly believe that the Fusion Energi TI will be worth more than $12K in 2017.

 

I believe that at the current interest rates, mid- and long-term (keeping the car at least 48 months) is better to buy rather than lease, but short term (24 to 36 months) it may be better to lease.

 

Regards,

APM

 

Thank you for this thoughtful and thorough post.  It was very helpful and saved me from doing the calculations myself.

[jberger]

If you plan on purchasing and keeping the car for a long time, I think a purchase is the way to go, specially since you can borrow money at around 1.49-2.49%.  I wouldn't ever pay cash, when a bank will give me money at that rate, on a depreciating item.  Much better things I can do with that money.

 

If you only plan on keeping the car for 2-3 years, then all of sudden the lease is back in the game.  I just like the lack of obligation on a lease.  If my payment is 350 per month on a 24 month lease, then i only owe $8400 dollars.  If the lease charges are low enough that is.

[pluggedin]

If you plan on purchasing and keeping the car for a long time, I think a purchase is the way to go, specially since you can borrow money at around 1.49-2.49%.  I wouldn't ever pay cash, when a bank will give me money at that rate, on a depreciating item.  Much better things I can do with that money.

 

If you only plan on keeping the car for 2-3 years, then all of sudden the lease is back in the game.  I just like the lack of obligation on a lease.  If my payment is 350 per month on a 24 month lease, then i only owe $8400 dollars.  If the lease charges are low enough that is.

Great food for thought jberger, thank you for taking the time to respond in such a thoughtful way.

 

Initially I intended for this car to be my last car purchase in my lifetime (I turn 69 tomorrow)...that the car might out live me. I purchased my last car in 2001 so you can see that I keep my cars a long time, if they last that long. However, I am in the process of rethinking all of that because of the likely technological advances in the next few years and appreciate your, and others, input.

[murphy]

Initially I intended for this car to be my last car purchase in my lifetime (I turn 69 tomorrow)...that the car might out live me. I purchased my last car in 2001 so you can see that I keep my cars a long time, if they last that long. However, I am in the process of rethinking all of that because of the likely technological advances in the next few years and appreciate your, and others, input.

That was my thought when I purchased  the 2010 Fusion Hybrid in 2009.  I was 69 at the time. 

My previous car was a 2002 Crown Vicroria and when I bought it I thought it would be my last.

But here I am with an outstanding order for an Energi 4 years later. 

I'm now of the mindset that if I want something I buy it.

[rprobst]

Happy birthday, pluggedin!