Laxin23 Posted October 1, 2013 at 02:14 PM Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 at 02:14 PM Hi, I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a 2013 fusion Engergi Titanium with nav, moonroof and driver assist package. Here's the lease offer on the table... MSPR: $43,585initial Cap cost: $39,900Adjusted cap cost: $31,445Lease end-value: $26,151 L.E.V %: 60%Milage: 15K Months: 24Down payment: 3K monthly base: $226Total monthly with tax: $292 Good or bad deal? On the surface it looks pretty decent to me? Thanks, Laxin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apm Posted October 1, 2013 at 02:56 PM Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 at 02:56 PM Hi Laxin, Taxes seem quite high at 29%! Regards,APM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxin23 Posted October 1, 2013 at 03:17 PM Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 at 03:17 PM That includes both the sales tax and excise tax here in MA. Sales tax is 6.9% and excise tax is on the value of the car ($25 X every $1000) so in my case around 1,100 a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dag Posted October 1, 2013 at 08:55 PM Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 at 08:55 PM Hi, I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a 2013 fusion Engergi Titanium with nav, moonroof and driver assist package. Here's the lease offer on the table... MSPR: $43,585initial Cap cost: $39,900Adjusted cap cost: $31,445Lease end-value: $26,151 L.E.V %: 60%Milage: 15K Months: 24Down payment: 3K monthly base: $226Total monthly with tax: $292 Good or bad deal? On the surface it looks pretty decent to me? Thanks, LaxinRemember you lose the $4007 tax credit on a lease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russael Posted October 1, 2013 at 09:06 PM Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 at 09:06 PM Not exactly. They roll that in to your lease price. The dealership claims it since they're still the owner of the car, but they pass that savings on to the consumer. Of course, the consumer cannot claim the credit themselves at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckJ Posted October 1, 2013 at 10:10 PM Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 at 10:10 PM That's about the same I was going to get on mine. I ended up going with a 36 month lease, however. ChuckJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dag Posted October 2, 2013 at 12:41 AM Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 at 12:41 AM Not exactly. They roll that in to your lease price. The dealership claims it since they're still the owner of the car, but they pass that savings on to the consumer. Of course, the consumer cannot claim the credit themselves at that point. Correct. But if you dont watch the numbers your credit could disappear in the "mystery math" of a lease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timf Posted October 2, 2013 at 03:26 PM Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 at 03:26 PM That sounds like a good lease. Taxes are charged based on the initial capital cost while the base payment is based on the adjusted capital cost, which is why they are such a high percentage of the base payment. Based on the adjustment it looks like they are deducting the $4000 tax credit, the $3000 down payment, and an extra $1500 incentive to come to a total of $8500 in adjustments that you don't have to pay for monthly but still need to pay tax on. $300/mo with $3000 down is a great deal and I'd take it. Dag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlb92 Posted October 6, 2013 at 12:58 AM Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 at 12:58 AM I'm more interested in the excise tax..MA charges property tax on your car? $1100? Thats insane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expresspak Posted October 23, 2013 at 04:06 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 at 04:06 PM (edited) The lease deal offered to Laxin23 looks like a good deal to me. I'm getting quotes in California for a 2013 Fusion Energi Titanium like this: MSRP = 45715Dealer Disc & Rebate = 9447Vehicle Price Net after Rebate = 36268 Lease Term = 36 mos.Mileage = 12K per yearCash Down / Pmt$2000 / $505$3500 / $460Purchase Option = 23107 What am I doing wrong? I've never leased a car before and based on the deals others on here are getting the prices seem to fluctuate wildly. Thanks! Edited October 23, 2013 at 04:07 PM by expresspak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expresspak Posted October 23, 2013 at 04:11 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 at 04:11 PM Also got this one for a 2013 Fusion Energi SE: MSRP = 40880 Dealer Disc & Rebate = 9497Vehicle Price Net after Rebate = 31383 Lease Term = 36 mos.Mileage = 12K per yearCash Down / Pmt$2000 / $365 I like this pricing better but really want a Titanium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric4539 Posted October 23, 2013 at 06:14 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 at 06:14 PM It seems as though the price you have for the Titanium is for a fairly loaded vehicle. The price for the SE seems like a less optioned vehicle. I don't think the price difference between a Titanium and a SE with the same options would be $5000. What dealer are you working with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expresspak Posted October 23, 2013 at 10:54 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 at 10:54 PM True...they have different options. I would like the Titanium trim because of the push-button start etc. Beyond that the only options I really care about are Driver Assist Pkg and Adaptive Cruise Control. Anything else is extra...willing to take, but not needed. One dealer has a 13 SE (Salinas Valley Ford) but not a 13 Titanium. The other has a 13 Titanium (The Ford Store Morgan Hill). I've since decided I want the Titanium. Looking for the best deal I can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric4539 Posted October 24, 2013 at 02:20 AM Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 at 02:20 AM I think you're in a good position to bargain. Several dealers in California still have inventories of 2013 Energi's which I figure they have to get rid off to make room for the 2014's. Galpin Ford in Los Angeles had 73 (I think) 2013 Energi's in stock the last time I checked their website. I just looked today and they only list 2014's....very odd. I cannot imagine them selling 73 of them in a month! Kearny Pearson Ford in San Diego still has 2013 Titaniums but they seem to be selling 3 or 4 a month. I bought my car from them in June and I think they had 29 in stock. Today they have 14; 8 SE's and 6 Titanium's. The research to find my car was fun for me because I initiated a chat and did all my negotiating through the chat. Then it was much more fun to drive the car home! I would say to keep searching online for what you want and go from there. Apple Ford in Maryland had fantastic prices even when I was looking. You might also try AutoTrader.com to search for what you want. I think you could get a fully loaded Titanium now for what a less optioned SE was going for a few months ago. Let me know what you find! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Fusion Posted October 24, 2013 at 03:47 AM Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 at 03:47 AM When I was at the Ford Store in Morgan Hill, CA two weeks ago buying mine they had 54 on hand or on order of the Energi's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dag Posted October 24, 2013 at 09:49 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 at 09:49 PM When I was at the Ford Store in Morgan Hill, CA two weeks ago buying mine they had 54 on hand or on order of the Energi's.You can't order a 2013 :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcec@yahoo.com Posted October 27, 2013 at 03:27 AM Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 at 03:27 AM (edited) True...they have different options. I would like the Titanium trim because of the push-button start etc. Beyond that the only options I really care about are Driver Assist Pkg and Adaptive Cruise Control. Anything else is extra...willing to take, but not needed. One dealer has a 13 SE (Salinas Valley Ford) but not a 13 Titanium. The other has a 13 Titanium (The Ford Store Morgan Hill). I've since decided I want the Titanium. Looking for the best deal I can get. Also got this one for a 2013 Fusion Energi SE: MSRP = 40880 Dealer Disc & Rebate = 9497Vehicle Price Net after Rebate = 31383 Lease Term = 36 mos.Mileage = 12K per yearCash Down / Pmt$2000 / $365 I like this pricing better but really want a Titanium. The lease deal offered to Laxin23 looks like a good deal to me. I'm getting quotes in California for a 2013 Fusion Energi Titanium like this: MSRP = 45715Dealer Disc & Rebate = 9447Vehicle Price Net after Rebate = 36268 Lease Term = 36 mos.Mileage = 12K per yearCash Down / Pmt$2000 / $505$3500 / $460Purchase Option = 23107 What am I doing wrong? I've never leased a car before and based on the deals others on here are getting the prices seem to fluctuate wildly. Thanks! Hi, I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a 2013 fusion Engergi Titanium with nav, moonroof and driver assist package. Here's the lease offer on the table... MSPR: $43,585initial Cap cost: $39,900Adjusted cap cost: $31,445Lease end-value: $26,151 L.E.V %: 60%Milage: 15K Months: 24Down payment: 3K monthly base: $226Total monthly with tax: $292 Good or bad deal? On the surface it looks pretty decent to me? Thanks, Laxin I think you're in a good position to bargain. Several dealers in California still have inventories of 2013 Energi's which I figure they have to get rid off to make room for the 2014's. Galpin Ford in Los Angeles had 73 (I think) 2013 Energi's in stock the last time I checked their website. I just looked today and they only list 2014's....very odd. I cannot imagine them selling 73 of them in a month! Kearny Pearson Ford in San Diego still has 2013 Titaniums but they seem to be selling 3 or 4 a month. I bought my car from them in June and I think they had 29 in stock. Today they have 14; 8 SE's and 6 Titanium's. The research to find my car was fun for me because I initiated a chat and did all my negotiating through the chat. Then it was much more fun to drive the car home! I would say to keep searching online for what you want and go from there. Apple Ford in Maryland had fantastic prices even when I was looking. You might also try AutoTrader.com to search for what you want. I think you could get a fully loaded Titanium now for what a less optioned SE was going for a few months ago. Let me know what you find! When I was at the Ford Store in Morgan Hill, CA two weeks ago buying mine they had 54 on hand or on order of the Energi's. You can't order a 2013 :) I am shopping for a Fusion Energi SE in the San Francisco bay area. I live in San Jose.I want 15k miles/yr 3k down. I got a quote for the SE with the only option White Platinum paint for $600. The quote was $292/mo.Then they lowered it to $267/mo the next day, after I walked out of the dealer. I have been bargaining with other SF area dealers from Salinas to Tracy, to San Jose area dealer,saying that I would rather have the back up camera for $300 and the back up parking sensors for $300 or $600 total for the same deal. I got a quote from Tracey Ford today, for the SE + Nav + back Camera + parking sensors for $277 with tax, Nav + Camera + parking sensors 15k miles and 3k down.When I went to the dealer today to get the car, I found out that it didn't have the back up sensor.They said they would install them, then they started trying to get me down to 2 years instead of the agreed upon 3 yrs. So it was basically BAIT AND SWITCH or bait and then renegotiate at the dealer. I went to another dealer Capitol Ford in San Jose and it was a similar tactic.Can Ford dealers be trusted? I doesn't appear that they can be. My last lease was a Lexus ES, and there was none of this.Just top quality service all the way and verbal agreements were honored. Anyone have any suggestions? Are there any San Francisco area dealers you can trust? Edited October 27, 2013 at 03:29 AM by jgcec@yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckJ Posted October 27, 2013 at 01:13 PM Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 at 01:13 PM I basically got the deal that you're looking for. If you're willing to buy in FT Worth, TX, PM me and I'll turn you on to a sales manager that may be able to help. ChuckJ jgcec@yahoo.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Fusion Posted October 27, 2013 at 07:36 PM Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 at 07:36 PM Go to The Ford Store Morgan Hill. Talk to "JC." He's the most knowledgeable car salesman I've ever met. It's not even close. The guy knows soooo much about the Fusion Energi's and the dealership doesn't pay them on commission, only on units sold and customer satisfaction. Make sure you call ahead and go on a day that he's working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcec@yahoo.com Posted October 27, 2013 at 11:11 PM Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 at 11:11 PM Chuckj you can email me at jgcec@yahoo.comI was on a 10 day family trip to Texas last summer,we started in Ft Worth, then Austin, Houston and Galveston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcec@yahoo.com Posted October 28, 2013 at 01:48 AM Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 at 01:48 AM I called JC at the Ford Store in Morgan Hill.Energi with nav + backup camera + back up sensors15k miles, 3k down, 36 monthsall monthly prices are WITH TAXhis price is about 360+/mo He is assuming a $30 drop per thousand leased of added optionsthe care he found had blind spot + rear inflatable seatbelts that add about 130024 months $398 36 months $394 other dealers for 36 monthsFremont Ford quoted 377 Livermore Ford quoted 340 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcec@yahoo.com Posted October 29, 2013 at 05:35 AM Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 at 05:35 AM I got my new Energi today.Ruby Red dune int,Nav, back up camera, moon roof, the dealer is installing backup sensors andguaranteeing parts and labor for the lease term of 36 months and 45k miles. I think the back up sensors aren't needed with the backup camera, but my wife wanted them. total price was 312/mo with tax, with 3k down, 15k / yr for 3 yearsat Tracy Ford, I basically emailed everyone at the dealer including the general manager, to get their attention, because they were just ignoring me.This same strategy worked at Fremont Ford when they first quoted me 284, and they gave me a quote for 312, minus the ruby red and moon roof I talked directly to the general manager Wahid NasradThe sales agent quoted me 277/mo for 24mo with 3k down This was totally untrue as it was 36 months not 24 months, but this was still the best deal I could find, so I took it.although Livermore Ford and Fremont Ford were going to givealmost the same deal minus the moon roof and ruby red color. Those 2 items would add about $30 to the monthly price so I am very happy with the deal,because I was about to give up. Main lesson in dealing with car dealers, get it in writing, email or fax before going in there,because otherwise they will just wear you down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadiel Posted October 29, 2013 at 06:51 PM Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 at 06:51 PM FYI, if you are in CA I would strongly recommend to only do a 36 month lease so you can do the $1500 rebate with Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP). If you do a 24 month lease you cant do the rebate. Also the Ford dealer I went to had no clue about the $1500 mail in rebate. I got a Energi SE with moon roof & parking sensors only (no nav or camera). 10500miles 36month $340 after tax. 0 down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcec@yahoo.com Posted October 29, 2013 at 08:39 PM Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 at 08:39 PM UPDATE - TroubleI woke up at 3am after drinking too much coffee and noticed that the mileage on my lease contract was wrong it said 36k instead of 45k. So in a pannick I drove back to Tracy Ford, about 60 miles at 5:30am to get the contract corrected.You really have to be careful with that contract because it is not easy to see the terms of it.In the future I am going to read the contract in advance if possible, before signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcec@yahoo.com Posted October 29, 2013 at 08:42 PM Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 at 08:42 PM Seadiel,Yes I did get 36 months with 15k/yr,I am in outside sales. How do you apply for the tax credit? Doesn't that go to the dealer, because its a lease? How long did it take you to get your HOV stickers and what was the procedure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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