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Speaking of the battery draining climate system...I was reading a Ford Focus Electric forum to try and figure out what kind of real world range those folks are experiencing and noticed mention of the same issues with range vs climate. One guy posted that he bought a 200 Watt electric heater for the cabin!

Post a pic of this hockey bag in the trunk. I'm curious having never seen a hockey bag!

Welcome Tuju! Ruby Red is a great color! Enjoy your ride now that the first kink is worked out!

I am the boss and I decide...efficiency over comfort! So I'm minimizing the use of the Cabin Coolant Heater.

I'll have to experiment. The vehicle will probably throw a DTC, but if it continues to function as otherwise expected I might be good with that! Thanks for the Page 1-1 alert murphy! For those who missed the images they might have been from the 2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid/PEV Wiring Diagrams Manual

Wow I wish I had an 8 mile commute! My commute is 34 miles, so no matter how light I am on the accelerator, the ICE is going to run. If I run the ICE in a calculated manner (use ICE for heat, EV mode for level and downhill stretches) I find that I can stretch the battery much longer and improve overall fuel efficiency of the commute.

Yep I knew what I was getting into as far as electric range and overall fuel economy. I gambled that the vehicle would get 50mpg on my hilly commute and it does. This is quite an improvement over my 2009 MX-5 which was right at 30mpg average. I certainly appreciate the 20mpg improvement! I love electric driving! For short trips and around town the FFE is great. When my wife's Ford Escape Hybrid finally gives up (if it ever does) she's taking over this car and I'm going deeper into the electric realm. Maybe a Tesla Roadster. :arrive_alive:

Here were wiring diagrams regarding what I'm considering. Cabin Coolant Heater: There are 3 connectors to the ol Cabin Coolant Heater: C1815A, C1815B, and C1815C. C1815A is a high voltage connector with the orange-harness and wires. I'm not messing with it. Depending on how difficult it is to reach I will unplug C1815B and C1815C. [Wiring Diagrams deleted as per murph :clapping: ]

In the photo the car was running in EV NOW mode with a temp setting of 61, fan speed of low, some residual ICE heat indicated, and no climate kW usage (the cabin water heater was off). It was 5 outside but I was comfortable with no window fogging. This is my annoying morning routine. I work the climate temperature between 65 and 60 to keep that cabin water heater from coming on and using the battery. I drive almost 70 miles per day, can't charge at work (military base), and want to maximize battery range - even in cold weather. I paid for this HV battery to 'e' me to work, not to heat my butt! I can heat my butt by cycling the car into EV-LATER mode and kicking on the ICE when I feel cold. For me it is silly to waste the HV battery to heat the cabin. Our hybrid doesn't do this and we get along fine. Of course the hybrid won't go 20-some miles in EV, but for crying out loud...give me some control!! I need a Vehicle Setting to disable the HV Cabin Water Heater while the vehicle is operational.

I'm considering unplugging the HV cabin water heater. This unit is connected to the high voltage battery and is a major power drain in cold weather - just watch the energy usage widget. I've noticed that the electric cabin heater runs even when the ICE is on. It goes off as you lower the temperature on the climate control eventually all the way to 60 or even Lo - even though there's residual heat left over from the ICE (see the engine temperature widget). I am really curious what will happen if I unplug it and run without this power goblin.

No doubt! Most of us here know more about these cars than the folks selling them (my salesman was nice but nearly clueless). Fear not! If times get tough you can grab a job selling Ford PEVs!

Maybe they've got a guy reading this forum! Ha ha!!

Happiness overall on a sale of 1 to 10? Your Previous Daily Driver (Car)? Would you do it again? 1 - I'll give it an 8. -1 for lack of MyFordTouch AppLink Support and -1 for various nuances like -weak little 12 Volt battery, -inability to switch off auto noise cancellation, -auto up/down windows don't work, -inability to simply switch off the high voltage water heater and still get residual ICE heat (and save lots of battery), -inability to simply power off the A/C (auto mode pops it back on). I do like the Lane Keeping System and Adaptive Cruise control. I might UNPLUG the high voltage cabin water heater controller so that I can reliably go further in cold weather. Undecided because if I do I'll lose Go Times. If I do this I'll start a thread with my findings. 2 - 2009 Mazda Mx-5 3 - Nope. I drive 65 miles each day and want an electric car that a) can carry me to work and back regardless of climate without burning gasoline or diesel (Although I would settle for Natural Gas!!), and b) that allows me to interface my phone with the car via a technology like AppLink. Great thread!

Mine just plain doesn't auto up/down. It does have that double click though. I'll add this to the list of things to have the dealer fix.

Now that many of us have Go Times working (thank you TSB 13-05-28 REPROGRAM FCIM TO LATEST CALIBRATION!), has anyone else seen an increase in their electric bill? Circumstantial information: - It has been really cold - I have 1 go time set each day M-F for 72. - I had been missing my Go Times a lot :doh: so the car would continue conditioning the cabin in my absence. There are obviously other factors in this higher than usual electric bill (actually it's a record high). I was just wondering if anyone else has similar experience.

Ditto. I've been unpleasantly surprised by the ICE running in the garage after a remote start. Go Times never start the engine to generate heat. Instead a Go Time will use the electric water heater to produce heat for the cabin. On another note my electric bill increased this past time, probably due in part to Go Times and extremely cold weather. Either way I'm being more diligent about leaving the house at the configured Go Time (on time) and changed the setting from 72 to 65 to use less energy. Glad you were able to convince your dealer to fix the car!! Holy crap. In case someone else happens upon this with a similar Go Time issue, there's another thread full of TSB 13-5-28 Go Time successes as well: http://www.fordfusionenergiforum.com/topic/1362-go-times/

Whoa. I'd like to put a few lines of code in mine. As soon as the Mr. Fusion TSB is published I'll take mine in! Maybe a Ford rep will keep us posted with updates on this... Oh and thank you Mr. Fusion!!

For anyone having battery issues I found this other thread very helpful as well: http://www.fordfusionenergiforum.com/topic/1258-the-bxt-99r-390-is-a-standard-car-battery/ It has more information about the OEM battery. The info I learned therein convinced me to upgrade to a deep cycle lead acid battery.

I had the trunk area back apart and got a few photos of the Optima Yellow Top D35. I haven't had a single problem with this battery. Time will tell - there are now 2 subs in the deck with an old school Rockford Fosgate Punch 100i amplifier consuming lots of power. That will definitely use the 12V battery.

I love the ceramic interior! I've had a lot of the interior out of mine to remove pace car wiring and install sound system. I wonder how much those ceramic leather goodies cost! C'mon Ford how about a discount on a group buy!

I agree. That seems like a cheapskate move on Ford's part. If you haven't used the Park Assist feature you should test drive a car with it and check it out. I've found it very helpful and unsuspecting passengers freak out when you park with no hands!

Sorry to resurrect the dead thread :drop: here; this is a very interesting discussion! I wonder if a very large capacitor bank could be used to help deliver a charge to such an advanced battery very quickly. Obviously size and cost would be a concern (based on today's capacitor technology), but this technology might be feasible for commercial charging stations. Here is a neat project I found sort of relevant http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Forever-Rechargeable-VARIABLE-Super-Capacitor-/

I found the vehicle's cell modem. It's on the top, back, off-center toward the passenger side of the rear deck. (it rattles a lot in the presence of decent bass)

All 4 wheels have been sold. Thank you!

Heck yes!! There are years worth of posts on Ford forums all over the place. Hopefully we'll see this soon! I don't expect Ford to admit this but I suspect attorneys behind this delay...