Hybridbear

I believe the fine print says that Ford is not responsible if the cellular provider decides to discontinue coverage.

Interesting that the dealer has a vanity plate on the Energi...

That's awesome! I am strongly leaning toward a Model S as my next car, but I'm inclined to try to wait right now since I expect the AP 2.0 hardware to be released soon. I don't want to end up in a spot of buying a Model S this winter just to have them introduce the AP 2.0 hardware a couple weeks/months later.

That's possible. We have found a few 2G dead zones around the Twin Cities where MFM won't work at all. However, I have my parents' C-Max Energi in my MFM account, in addition to my car. They often will just text me to update their go times for them, instead of them logging into MFM to do it... I wasn't getting text messages for their car either & the bunch that came were for all the vehicles. They live on the other side of the city from me.

I stopped getting my text message alerts for a few days & then received all of them back-to-back on the 29th.

Nice! Is the C-Max Energi your wife's?

Congrats on your new EV! What EV did you buy??

When the car is in EV Later you are still counting EV miles because the ICE doesn't run 100% of the time. That is where the EV miles come from. It's just a count of how many miles were traveled with the ICE off. The regen miles are an estimate of how much energy was recovered through regen braking. Instead of displaying that in a unit of stored energy (kWh for example), Ford chose to convert that number to miles. If you did not have regen braking you would have wasted energy equivalent to about 1.5 miles of driving in this scenario (likely about 0.3 kWh).

This is why I'm not a big fan of Tesla telling owners to charge to 80% or 90% every night. If I had a Tesla, I would likely choose to charge only to 50-60% on most days based on this info about capacity loss due to calendar fade to keep the average SOC as low as possible, while not going too low where cell voltage variation spikes. Calendar fade degradation should be a concern to anyone buying a used EV. It is a concern for me as I consider a used Model S as a possible replacement for the Focus Electric when its lease ends in under 6 weeks.

This article is spot on with the things that many of us have said going back to 2013. http://cleantechnica.com/2016/06/29/theres-electric-car-leadership-theres-ford/ The recent Energi press release was especially egregious.

My parents' 2013 C-Max Energi is now 3 years old and has about 18,000 EV miles out of about 20,000 odometer miles. They are down about 0.5 kWh based on my limited testing. This is about 2-3 miles of EV range. Check out larryh's posts here for a highly scientific analysis of this.

So what gauges can you gain access to with this?

This was my thought as well as soon as I saw the news. I don't believe that they made any impactful changes to the powertrain. If the C-Max Energi MPGe & EV range also increase then I'll believe that powertrain changes were made. Until then, I just think that they decided to certify the Fusion Energi separate from the C-Max Energi & use it as marketing, faking an improvement. I don't believe them. I believe that it's just twisted marketing language that is untrue.

I don't know any BEV or PHEV that allows charging anywhere near 1 C other than via DC fast charging. The Focus Electric, for example, has a 23 kWh HVB and charges at around 6.6 kW. This is 0.29 C. The second-generation Volt has an 18.4 kWh HVB that only charges at 3.6 kW. That is less than 0.2 C. Fast charging a Nissan Leaf at 50 kW with its 30 kWh battery is 1.67 C. Tesla has been slowly increasing their Supercharger power levels, with some Supercharger locations being able to deliver up to 135 kW of power. Charging a 70 kWh Model S at 135 kW is 1.93 C, charging a 90 kWh Model S at 135 kW is 1.5 C. The Model S can charge via L2 at a maximum rate of approximately 19 kW (80 amps * 240 V), which is a very low C rate for the size of their HVBs. It's interesting that they say that 1 C is the optimal charging rate. When driving the Energi can charge at a maximum rate of 35 kW which is about 5 C. When driving in the mountains we saw sustained charging rates around 15 kW when descending grades. That approximate 2 C charging rate caused very rapid increases in HVB temperature. The Focus Electric can charge the HVB at up to 60 kW when driving, although I've never seen the charging from regen exceed around 40 kW in my driving. This is a great idea. I've often wished that instead of the MFM value charge profile starting at the same time each morning that it would instead start at whatever time is needed in order to be done charging shortly before the Go Time. I've tried to limit the time at a full charge by delaying the start of charging until 3:00 am as well. However, some days the Focus Electric only needs 30-50 minutes to charge & other days it needs 3 hours. I'd like to tell it to not start charging until closer to 5:00 am, but then the car would think that it couldn't complete charging before my Go Time on some days so it would charge earlier. So, my compromise is 3:00 am every day. Larry & I are both in MN & the HVB will routinely exceed 90 F and even 100 F even in our relatively cool weather this far north. 25%, wow! The Focus Electric goes down to about 7% absolute SOC at the very bottom end and charges up to about 89-91% absolute SOC when fully charged. In the winter I get down below 15% absolute SOC at least once per week, if not multiple days per week. In the summer I rarely go below 25% absolute SOC, I rarely go below about 35% absolute SOC in the summer. I have seen measurable capacity loss in the Focus Electric in the 2+ years and 20,000 miles that I've driven it. The Fusion Energi rarely got that low, probably less than 12 times per year, and those days were usually grouped together when taking it on long trips.

Have you considered a Model S or X? That would be my choice. I would pick the Volt over the Energi. The current Fusion Energi powertrain is old, dating back to 2013. Thus, its tech lags way behind. You will find that it doesn't have that much power in EV mode either, only 65 kW maximum. The Volt is a far better car for driving EV only. However, the Fusion does have more space. I guess you'd have to decide how much you'd need the space to know if the Volt's smaller design would work. However, a Model S would fix all of those issues & includes free long-distance travel via Superchargers, which makes road trips a pleasure. I'm still leaning toward buying a used Model S when my Focus Electric lease ends in two months.

Interesting! I just priced it again for the C-Max Energi and included screenshots below so that you can see the differences. It may be based on vehicle year, state or something else. Their C-Max Energi is a 2013 & has only 19,500 miles on it in 3 years. My parents are retired and drive only about 10,000 miles per year between both of their cars combined! Anderson & Koch pricing Flood Ford pricing

The car automatically powers down the park lights & the internal power points after a set period of time. I've tried leaving the lights on overnight as a test & they turn off after awhile & do not drain the 12V battery.

Have you considered avoiding EV Auto & instead only using EV Now & EV Later as a way to avoid this?

Last night I helped my parents research & purchase an extended warranty for their C-Max Energi. They're at 35 months of ownership now, so they're running out of time. Many have previously mentioned Flood Ford on here for purchasing the Ford ESP online. Another Ford dealer that sells the ESP cheaply online is Anderson & Koch Ford in North Branch, MN. Previously whenever I had checked, the prices were virtually equal between the two dealers. Last night when we checked, Flood Ford was almost $200 higher than Anderson & Koch. Add-on items such as first day rental, lighting coverage, etc were also much more expensive at Flood ($125) versus Anderson & Koch ($40). I wanted to share this for anyone else considering buying the ESP online to check out Anderson & Koch Ford. http://andersonandkoch-ford-warranty.com/

My parents are 5'10 & 5'11, they're also both bigger, thus they find the space limiting.

The issues for them is passenger space, not cargo space. They feel too confined in the front seats of the C-Max. The legroom is too limited for long trips, the elbow room/shoulder room is too minimal, etc.

They currently have a C-Max Energi. They got it in early 2013. The Pacifica would potentially replace their aging Nissan Murano. They find the C-Max to be too small for long drives. They only use it on short trips around town. They still do road trips to visit family & need something bigger than the C-Max for that.

Windows FORScan? How do you get the free two month license key? Thanks!

If you're getting a new HVB your car should be significantly better because you'll get rid of any capacity loss over the years. Unfortunately, big companies like Ford do not care at all about individual customers. Ford doesn't care that you've bought a lot of their cars. That's just the sad truth.

The dealer may do it for free as customer good will. Ford won't since you're beyond the warranty period.