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Leviton Level 2 kit for me. Purchased from Home Depot. My panel is in the garage so it took an electrician about 2 hours to install the 240 V socket. Thankfully, I had a couple empty breaker sockets but now at 100% full. If I ever get another plugin car, it's gonna be a lot more to install than the $180 I spent today. Will probably need a sub panel like jeff_h or do some illegal splicing of some 120V lines!

Thanks for all the suggestions. I tried everything and think I might know what the problem is. I am using 120V and the estimated time to charge calculations on the website are all screwed up. I even put everything back to on-demand charge and the estimated charge to full times are 12-16 hours out. Good news is that the charge completes in 6-7 hours even though the website continues to show screwy estimated complete times. The only thing the website shows correctly is the current charge amount. Even when it shows 15 miles, the estimated charge to full (5 miles) is 10:25PM and I am checking at 11:00AM. Something is definitely out of whack with the website and/or sync with the car. No big deal, gotta expect a few quirky things for a first year model with so much high tech. I've been blown away at how well my phone integrates with the Sync system.

2nd time still doesn't work. Just like my first attempt, everything looks good at the start, but something weird happens when it's suppose to charge. I still did not get a full charge this morning. Going to ask the dealer for help.

Got home today and got some really off the wall charge schedule times like completing the charge by 12:30PM tomorrow even though I have a go time set to 6:30. I think my car was plugged in when I initially set the value charge from the website. I disconnected the charger, reset all my value charge settings to default on the website but didn't change my go times. Waited 15 minutes then plugged the car in. Waited another 15 minutes and logged in and now it shows waiting to charge and a schedule of 4:32 AM for a full charge - this sounds right as I have 6 miles of charge left. Will see in the morning.

A few funny comments from friends and strangers when they saw my car: "Damn, should have waited" - 2012 Fusion Hybrid owner "Damn, pretty nice" - friend with Tesla S "Really? I thought only Japanese car makers did hybrids." "You must have a really short commute." "I bet you have a decent amount of trunk space up front." "Nice Bimmer!" I'm sure some of you heard even better one...

Actually, MPGe will always be lower. MPG only factors in how much gas you burned. MPGe also takes how many KwH you used from the initial charge and uses a per KwH cost to compare against a gallon of gas. For example, if you only used EV, MPG will show "999.9" since it's infinite because you did not burn any gas. However, if you went 20 miles on EV and used up all your battery, it will take you approx 8 KwH to charge back up. If 8 KwH costs you $1 and gas costs $4 per gallon, your MPGe would be: 20 miles / 0.25 "e" "e" equals Total cost of battery charged / Cost per gallon of gas This would come out to 80 MPGe versus 999.9 MPG

I'll definitely give that a try. I do feel the AC coming on during the drive back home whereas morning, I don't think the heater is running too much. It's still amazing. My Prius with AC on gets about 48 MPG and 53 without AC.

yes, I have the same problem. My specifics are Go Time set for 6:30 without climate option. Value times set to default 12AM-6AM. When I set this up, everything looked good on my app because the status "waiting to charge" and even showed a scheduled charge time schedule that should have completed charging by 5:20AM. I am currently using the 120V charger so that may have something to do with it since 6 hours of value time may not be enough for a full charge. I will have my L2 system installed in a couple weeks so will try again. Are you also on 120V charge?

Took delivery on 4/16 and only 200 miles driven but here are my results so far: Why I bought - mainly for my daily commute which is 46 miles round trip. I hope to have charging provided at my work place in the the near future, but for now, only charge at home. How I measured - used trip calculators for each test which gave me fuel and energy consumption for each trip. Test 1 - Full battery in Auto EV mode. Climate on auto and set to 70 with morning commute at 54 F and evening commute at 68. 0.6 gallons used and 5.5 Kwh consumed. At my current gas and energy rates, this came out to 65.7 MPGe Test 2 - Hybrid mode only. climate on auto set to 70 with morning commute at 52 F and evening commute at 72. 1 gallon used and 0 Kwh consumed (meaning only used what the car generated) so this is 46 MPGe Test 2 was by accident. I was playing around with Go Times and Value Charging and somehow the car did not charge at all after Test 1 so I had no choice lol. Still, 46 MPG is pretty nice! My commute is roughly 50% city and 50% highway. My morning commute has very low traffic, but my evening commute is a lot of stop and go traffic on the highway so it's basically 100% city driving. My other car is a standard Prius so I'm fairly experienced in driving habits to maximize MPG. Overall, I'm very pleased with the results and look forward to better numbers after break in period. Plus, I currently have the car outside the garage during charge and the cold temps are limiting some of the charge. Once I rearrange the garage (for the charger), I'm sure I'll get an extra couple miles on EV.

For CA residents, PG&E has a calculator that gives a good approximation of costs. The rate tables require a masters in calculus to figure out! Seriously, it's 3 dimensional with tiered rates versus peak/mid peak/off peak times versus seasonal periods! When I called their hotline for help, I had a support person walk me through using my actual past bills. The key for CA residents is to move to either an E-9A or E-9B plan instead of the standard E-1. The "B" plan puts the charger on a separate circuit and meter, but while cheaper monthly bills, it requires a couple grand to install all the extra circuitry. Here is what my PG&E verified projects are: If I fully charge my Energi once per day between 12AM - 6AM and weekends, the extra energy cost per month are: E-1 - $48 E-9A - $26 E-9B - $23 I chose E-9A since it would take forever to recoup the costs of installing a separate circuit and meter for 9B. Both E-9 plans cost less than a buck per full charge. If I had a Tesla, the E-9B may be better. My energy use for home is pretty much average for my neighborhood and pretty close to the 333 KwH per month local threshold. If you are below or above that threshold, your costs will be slight lower or higher than my projections.

It's difficult to say for certain and not sure how one could calculate with so many variables. I don't believe there is a simple yes or no. Here are the pros and cons of each: Coasting This certainly doesn't power as braking, but it also only adds a very small resistance to the car's momentum. Braking Lots of power regenerated, but also consumes a lot more power to get back to the speed prior to braking. Neither gives anything close to 100% efficiency since there is no such thing as a perpetual machine. All things being equal, my intuition tells me coasting my hold an edge because there is little to no loss of energy to heat. If you brake really hard, a lot of the energy gets converted to heat instead of electricity. But I am a chemical engineer and not a physicist.

Congrats to you too! Ford is suppose to come out with a Hybrid Titanium but every time I asked the dealership, I got a different answer. When combined with the tax credits, the premium for Energi is only $2-3K so I decided to go Energi. Agree with you on Avalon styling, I think it's more attractive than Lexus. I could not really tell the difference from a driving standpoint - more cruiser than sporty. The Avalon fully loaded is about $43K including heated back seats! I think the back seats on Avalon/ES300h have a couple inches more leg room than the Fusion, but I was comparing the charcoal Titanium interior to the cashmere interior of the Toyotas so could be just perception. Having said that, a two tone interior for Fusion Titanium would have taken this "10" to and "11"! Hope your car arrives soon!

congrats!

Lease rates are based on money factor and not APRs. The complexity is that the leasing company buys the car and loans it to you. The factor is based on three things - sales tax, general cost of borrowing money, and the average value of the vehicle during the lease period. It's difficult to get the exact details from a dealer on how they calculated the money factor, but in general and equivalent APR is the money factor x 2400. A dealer should give you a money factor.

Agree on this forum. You can't trust the media these days. So many have said how complicated the Ford touch screen is. Well, I've played around with the touch screen on a Tesla and it's no different. It's only because it's so large that the media says it's so great.

Just took delivery on 4/16. Looked at competitors (similarly equipped): Fusion Hybrid - no Titanium version yet, but about $6K cheaper than Energi Lexus ES300h - about the same price Toyota Avalon - $2-$3K less Tesla S - not really considered, but just not comfortable yet for all EV vehicle When you consider a total of $5K tax credit and HOV lane in CA, Energi makes total sense for me. I've only driven this one day, but I am getting over 80 MPG for my round trip commute. Basically EV one way, hybrid on the way back. Good quality and features. Only negative so far is trunk size but non-issue for me as this is a commute car.

I just got my Energi. The trunk does dip a little and takes very little pressure to close. Got to remember this to avoid hitting the back of the head when looking for the charger.

Somebody already has this on their sig, but MR FUSION is pretty awesome. Great reference to Back to the Future.

Was 3.25 the money factor rate?

My fresh new Energi showed a charge range of 18 miles this morning after I had driven it home from the dealer last night and fully charged. My actual commute to my office which is 90% highway at 68 MPH, showed I got 22 miles in EV mode. I used auto mode with climate control on auto (54 F outside temp), but I will say I'm a skilled Prius driver so already have experience in hybrid driving. I assumed the same principles apply to EV mode. I believe I got 2 miles from brake regen. Day 2 update: I think I understand the specs now. The energi battery has a capacity of 7.6 KwH. When I run the EV mode in "Auto", the car runs purely in EV until 5.5 KwH have been consumed before switching to hybrid mode. Today, this took me to 18.5 miles. The remaining 2 KwH or so let's me run in hybrid mode where I got another 4 miles of EV equivalent miles by the time I got to my office. I needed 3 equivalent miles on gas for the 26 mile commute. Using this data, if I manually set to EV only mode, I assume it continues to consume battery past 5.5 KwH. Using the same miles/KwH rate, I would have gone another 6.7 miles if I completely drained the battery for a total of just over 25 miles. When Ford said "21 miles on battery", that appears to be a fair statement.

If this was a lease, then the $3500 discount off invoice is offset by the dealer cashing in the $3500 tax credit. I was offered this option, but chose to purchase instead.

Just purchased a Titanium trim with just moonroof and nav. Negotiated price down to invoice (about $2200 off) and dealer gave me the option of another $1500 off or 0.9% zero down for 60 months. Since the best I could get on auto loans from my credit union is 1.99%, the $1500 was a wash so I went with Ford financing. Total tax credits will be about $5K plus I can apply for HOV lane access. One more interesting note - if you don't want to wait for the credits, Ford will offer a 2 year lease with purchase option while deducting the federal credit from the purchase price. This is Redwood City, CA where I thought it would be impossible for anything under MSRP with the amount of hybrid sales for this area. I see way more Teslas than I do Fords. According to trucar.com, I got pretty much the average discount for my area. On a general note, the 3 different dealers I checked within a 10 mile radius all had 8-10 Titanium Energi models in stock and 2-3 SE Energi models.