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That would make my foot tired over time. I have used it from time to time in stop and go traffic. But otherwise only when I need to decellerate to make a sudden stop.

No problem. You asked why folks would want less regen, so I answered...

I think most folks who hypermile say that it is best not to use L in general. It slows down the car, and you will never get enough energy back to replace the kenetic energy that you used getting up to speed. The mechanical energy loss is to blame - there is always some of that. The "real" hypermilers even use pulse and glide, with the glide part in neutral - no regen at all. This achieves the absolute maximum mileage. Of course that is illegal here in CA.

Interesting, I had never heard there was a difference.

That 50 State thing is just indicating it can be sold in CA, not the ULEV/SLEV classification. I think just about every car produced these days can be sold in CA. CA requires a certain number of cars to be PZEV / Electric, so I suspect Ford will still classify the Energi the same way.

That has been my experience as well, with the exception of a sudden red light change. Then I use L to slow down. But not normally.

I think it affected both the Energi and Hybrid C-Max. I've not had those issues with my 2014 model. And it did not affect all C-Max either - just some individual units. But enough to get noticed!

And I learned a lot too - I did not realize the warranty was by the manufacturer - I was one of those who thought it was mandated by CARB. I appreciate your patience while I caught up with your research...

It is an EPA regulation, which is federal. Maybe I should have been more specific - the Federal government mandates that states follow either their rules or CARB rules. While CARB levels are determined by California, the law is Federal. Having said that, it appears your original post was correct; the conventional hybrid is 8/100K. Note that my 2008 FEH was a PZEV and carried the longer warranty. I suppose it depends on how "clean" the current crop of vehicles is, since they have to be better than a certain percentage of vehicles for emissions. Well, that is why I participate in the forums - to learn! You can do a search on Ford products here: http://www.fleet.ford.com/programs/emission-guides/ Here are the CARB rules. Pardon the formatting, this was from a PDF http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/zevprog/factsheets/driveclean.pdf California Vehicle Emissions RatingsAll new vehicles sold in California must be certified with one of California’s six emissions ratings. A vehicle’semissions rating is posted on the Vehicle Emission Control Information labelunder the engine hood.LEV (Low Emission Vehicle):The least stringent emission standard for all new cars sold in California.ULEV (Ultra Low Emission Vehicle):50% cleaner than the average new model year vehicleSULEV (Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle): 90% cleaner than the average new model year vehiclePZEV (Partial Zero Emission Vehicle):Meets SULEV tailpipe emission standards, has a 15-year / 150,000 mile warranty and has zero evaporative emissionsAT PZEV (Advanced Technology PZEV): Meets SULEV tailpipe emission standards, has a 15-year / 150,000 mile warranty, has zero evaporativeemissions and includes advanced technology components.ZEV (Zero Emission Vehicle):Zero tailpipe emissions, and 98% cleaner than the average new model year vehicle

Here in LA it is possible to get a separate rate, but you have to have an electrician install a separate meter for just the charging station, and I belive it has to be 240v.

I recently had it miss an entire charging cycle, and a 5 mile or so trip. The MFM site is not completely reliable.

The hybrid warranty is for 10/150K for CARB states, regardless of Energi or not. It was the same warranty for my 2008 Escape Hybrid. Also, from what I can determine, it is the state in which it was bought that determines the length, not the current state. Perhaps the state in which it is first registered. That is a Federal law, no matter what Ford says or does not say. My Energi indicates a 8 year / 100K warranty, but I think that statement is generic in the owner manual. I own the C-Max, BTW. The HOV lane thing is a limited item, with about 70K allocated. They did the same thing with the original Prius. They expire in 2019. I'm not sure how many are left at this point.

The original poster can click the "solved" button.

Oh, I thought you were speaking of the trip 1 / trip 2 meters, which show on left side of the driver display, not the middle display. I was speaking of that KWH reading.

Good grief, I thought that my C-Max Energi battery eats up the space. I suppose it is similar to the Fusion, but since ours is a hatchback, it isn't as noticeable. It seems to use up a lot more room in the Fusion Energi. I suspect it is the same form factor; it weighs 300 lbs also.

I've always thought that the trip meter represented the amount of energy discharged from the battery, without regen. That would represent the actual KW used by the vehicle. Including the regen would not represent a true use of electric, since the energy was not created from the external source. But as you say, only Ford could tell us for sure. I also say that beacause the MPGe would be skewed if they included the regen in there - and it would be lower, which Ford is trying to avoid. In some ways it doesn't matter, because whatever you regenrate is just energy that will not have to be recharged at the next plug in charge. But it does affect MPGe. I use the meter to determine my MPGe.

You had a civic obligation to turn this guy in - if he didn't move. It is just a matter of time until he does something dangerous. It is part of what Paul talked about when he said we have to fulfill our duties to the authorities. Since he moved, I believe you did the right thing. But it is important for your kids to know that being a Christian doesn't mean being a push over, nor does it mean being pushy.

For CARB states, it is 10 years, 150K.

Are you sure it is charging? If you plug in the car, the battery fans run to cool the battery, but it may not be charging. At least that is true on my C-Max Energi.

The FFE has to use active cooling because of the large battery pack - it generates too much heat. Ford had a lot of experience with the Escape Hybrid, which went from A/C battery cooling (2005 - 2009) to not running the A/C back to the battery pack (2010 - 2012). I think they used that experience to decide they could get by without the weight and energy penalties of active cooling in the Energi and conventional hybrids.

Just and added note: for item 3, the range is based on the estimated EV range (varies with the driving style and temp, etc.), plus the estimated range on the gasoline engine, which is based on what is known as the Running Average Fuel Economy (RAFE). The car keeps an estimate of the MPG being obtained, based on the mileage you get. I don't know how far back it goes, but certainly more than just the current tank. I have no idea how they calculate this for those Energi users who are very seldom on the gas engine. For a normal car or hybrid, the gas engine is used a lot and the computer can get an idea of your normal MPG.

It is more likely the weather. In the cold, I've gone down to about 18 from 26 in my C-Max Energi. Your driving habits also make a big difference, as does the use of heater / AC, vs the seat heaters. Take a look at the cold weather threads around here. 18-20 should be about right for a normal driver in warmer weather.

Wait, you have an Energi and are using an F350 as your daily driver???

Not sure about the Fusion Energi, but the 2014 C-Max Energi has the HVB % in the charge settings display on the MFT. You could check that before turning off the car, and look at it when you get back in.

I had this happen in my C-Max Energi, and found that turning the A/C ON for a second, then OFF, somehow cleared the compressor running. It didn't show on the climate guage, but somehow the draw was there, and it showed up on the range. What others have been saying is also true, about cold, driving speed, eCVT fluid temp, etc. I myself am happy with any fuel savings, and I try and look at it that way. I don't really follow it that much anymore; my daughter just HAS to have her heat these days...