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In this example you've driven 7500 ev miles and 2500 ICE miles. The 2000 regen miles are included in the ev miles. The ev miles in hybrid mode are supplied by regen miles and the ice turning.

As i already posted in this thread ford is collecting vins to look into why 2013 have not been getting MFT touch updates since 3.6.2. http://fordfusionhybridforum.com/topic/10558-version-38-available/ This thread from the fusion hybrid forum has more examples of ford employees asking for vins and multiple examples of 2013s running the 3.8 update that someone uploaded and linked for them to try. They even uploaded the confirmation they have updated and the ford website now confirms they have the latest update for their vehicle: 3.8.

Are the fault codes unique to these odb related issues or are they the same fault codes the vehicle might give for a valid reason? If the latter, I don't want to give them anymore scapegoats.

That seems very likely Larry. I suggested a few posts ago it was temp differential related since it only occurs when partially frozen precipitation brings cooler than ground ambient temps with it and only near 0C. The freezing point of water. One other thought I had is that is it a F vs C issue. Possibly somewhere in programming 0C is being treated as 0F explaining why I occasionally also experience ev now and ev later being locked out at the same time as the orange as this does occur near 0F for more than just myself.

That's awesome. So no matter what I just gave them a new scapegoat to not fix my powertrain fault and some ammo they can use against me if this actually goes to arbitration for $150 out of my pocket. Awesome. (Edit: for what it's worth I cancelled the order) That and I can't find the paper work from the dealership regarding the powertrain and service engine lights, the dealer is back pedaling and denying what they told me the first time and adding more details and I'm back to less than square one.

There's a bunch of them on amazon.ca but you get what you pay for and I don't want to give ford a new scapegoat by buying one that may cause the issues you describe.

What makes these worth 5 times the price of a elm327?

It's an old stand alone plug in reader. Can't install forscan. It shows no codes to post. Is there one you recommend?

Except for Murphy. Wonder what's different there. Thanks though guys.

How about with no MFM use and little to no change in ambient temp? Do others routinely experience this or is it rare or not all?

I always come back to the vehicle with less charge than I left it. With some ev range left on the HVB, I'll lose about anywhere from 2% to 10%. With the HVB depleted into hybrid mode, it'll drop from 50% on the hybrid portion to 10 or 0% inside 3 hours. I figured, and some posts around here implied, this was normal. The hvb cooling, the difficulty of estimating remaining charge on a battery that has a load drawing a discharge, etc. But this post from the hybrid forum says it is not. http://fordfusionhybridforum.com/topic/10547-hvb-drain-from-45-to-0-while-parked-during-workday/?do=findComment&comment=100749 Is it normal or not? Are the HVBs in 2012s and earlier just better at holding a charge? The larger battery of the energi leaves more room for variance?

The dealership says the fault codes are: p01eb:96, u0100. Neither of these are listed in the TSB Murphy linked to. Well P01eb is but not p01eb:96. Anyone know if the :96 means it's an entirely different code or what? If the :96 is just extra information, both of these codes are defined. ENGINE COOLANT HEATER "A" CONTROL CIRCUIT PERFORMANCE. LOST COMMUNICATION WITH ECM / PCM "A" I wonder if these are the codes that the orange wrench gave or if the dealership is confused and giving me the codes the service engine light gave. Which was fixed by replacing the ecm. My dad's old odb2 didn't show any dtc either. Anyone know if (accidentally) pushing erase on this may have erased the proprietary codes it couldn't see? The dealership says these are the correct codes. There was also P04EF. Which appears to be a vacuum voltage code. The dealership says the had reprogrammed the PCM previously following that or a similar Tsb. The dealership is questioning whether the orange wrench and service engine light are actually different. Or if they're the same problem and does not remember dismissing the orange wrench as "not a concern at this point." They think they did the PCM reprogrammed in response to both the powertrain fault and service engine light. I'll have to go over what little paper work they had given me in the past again to try to figure this out.

Just to be sure, you experience a drop of the ice threshold from 4 bars to between 3.5 and 3.8 bars at temps above 41F? I know a much greater decrease in ev power is normal closer to 0F but not at 5+ "Celsius." That usually also occurs with a decrease in max range as well. I also experience this problem or don't at the same temps.

Thanks. Sounds like a solid candidate expect for two factors. Most report this occurring after having used the block heater recently and all the DTC listed there have definitions. I'll call the dealership Monday to suggest this and see if they can tell me if the code I am getting is one of these or not. And the fact that the TSB only lists 2013s means the dealership never even considered it and may reject considering it when I bring it up. As they have previously for other issues even when the symptoms are similar. I've never seen my orange wrench in conjunction with block heater use. Only remote start or auto climate use. I might test the block heater when I'm back home Monday but the forecast is calling for a low of 9C most of next week so it would likely be fruitless anyway. Edit: was unable to reproduce it by pouring a bottle of water on the hood. The water was at ambient. Next time I'll try partial frozen water. Seems to be a temp deferential problem. Edit 2: my dad's old odb2 didn't show any dtc either. Anyone know if (accidentally) pushing erase on this may have erased the proprietary codes it couldn't see?

It warmed up to 3C faster than I expected and is now 5C. Was not able to get the powertrain fault to occur again. Maybe later tonight. I do have a block heater but it has not been used since last spring and was not used the days this did occur last spring. Does this issue with the block heater occur even when it's not being used? Have a link? Strange the dealer or ford regional manager never considered this last spring if it's a known issue that a block heater can cause powertrain faults.

8:20am the next morning. It is again 1C. It is snowing more heavily than yesterday and it is actual snow that remains snow instead of melting. There is now about 1Cm of solid snow covering the hood. Yesterday it was much wetter snow but less of it. It is not melting as quickly today. This 1Cm of snow is now too much snow for the powertrain fault to occur and the vehicle remote starts without the orange wrench appearing. The key difference here is that much more of the snow remains snow and doesn't melt. Therefore there is less water running under the hood and into the engine compartment. The hood itself is also likely under 0C, as the snow remains instead of melting, instead of hovering right above freezing. If I can get access to a hose from the girl friends landlord I will brush off all the snow and spray the vehicle lightly with the hose in an effort to confirm this. Edit: brushed off the snow and drove 3.7km. No powertrain fault. No issues switching between Ev now and ev later at the same 1C as yesterday or an even colder 0C. The vehicle will be allowed to cool for an hour or two and then remoted started when the continued flurries we are getting will have reached a point where the powertrain fault will likely occur again.

They got no help identifying this code from the hotline. I have also read at least one other case of ford being unable to identify an error code on these forums. Seems I was mistaken. There is no DTC listed in ET mode. It's not so much intermittent as it is weather dependant. I had the orange wrench appear three times within a month last spring. Each time after using the remote start at 1 Celsius with a light dusting of snow on the vehicle. It disappeared after one or two restarts and likely disappeared due to the vehicle warming up and melting some of the snow. Yesterday the orange wrench appeared at 2C with some freezing rain. It was gone on the next start up the next morning (today). Today it did not appear using the remote start at 1 or 2c with no precipitation on the vehicle. It did appear after the climate controls were turned on to auto after it began snowing some more and ev now and ev later became browned out. It disappeared again on the next start up and has not appeared again as it is now 8c with no precipitation. Twice within 24 hours. It has only ever appeared inside this 1 to 2 Celsius window. It does not appear at -5C with half a foot of snow on the vehicle. It would be reproducible with a hose and a drive in freezer or if the xmen will lend me Storm for a day. No dealership will provide these or make the effort to look at the vehicle during these weather conditions. Forecast is looking like a month before the next few days of O+/-2C. Edit: 10:20pm. Started light flurries around 930. 1 Celsius again. Light dusting of wet snow and freezing rain on the vehicle. Orange wrench againafter a remote start. Third orange wrench appearance and disappearance in 24 hours. Ev later and ev now again blocked out. Powered cycled into ET mode. Still no DTC. Ev now and ev later still blocked out. Power cycled again. Orange wrench remains. Ev later and ev now available again. Drove ~3km. Power cycled again. Orange wrench gone. Total time from appearance to disappearing, 20 minutes.

Yep. I found the error code in ET mode last spring. I could not find a definition for in anywhere. The dealership can not find a definition. Are you suggesting that because the error eventually disappears I should ignore it?

This morning the powertrain fault was gone. Same temp, 1 to 2c. Less precipitation on the vehicle. Twice remote started without the powertrain fault. Then turned on climate while the vehicle was already running and the powertrain fault appeared again. None of the four dealerships I called today can look at the vehicle today while the temp remains in this range. Next week will be too late as temps will climb back up. Also ev now and ev later are locked out. Temp climbed to 4c. Powertrain fault gone again. Ev now and ev later back.

Last spring I experienced three powertrain faults (orange wrench) after using the remote start at 1 Celsius with a fine dusty of snow on the vehicle. The vehicle would drive fine and the orange wrench would disappears after been driven a short distance (2km) and allowed to sit for a short time. One dealership said there was an error generated but it was "undefined" so they didn't know what it meant so "it was not a concern at this point." The powertrain fault occurred again today while using the remote start at 2 Celsius with a bit of partially frozen rain on the vehicle. The dealership also said that their path to a solution to this would be to wait for the vehicle to generate additional powertrain fault codes that would point to the cause. The description of the orange wrench in the manual is pretty simple. Basically "powertrain fault. Take the vehicle to a dealership." This means that this is a warranty breach concern. If I don't take the vehicle in each and every time I use the remote start between 1 and 2C, so they can identify if and when a new fault code appears, and some actual damage to the vehicle were to occur, ford could potentially void the warranty. About a month ago I contacted CAMVAP about seeking arbitration about this and other unsolved issues. They suggested I wait for the powertrain fault to occur again and give another dealership another chance to fix this before opening a case with them. (CAMVAP: Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Power. Canadians version of lemon laws.)

16 of 20 miles of range is 80%. If the range estimate was 20 miles at 100% with no climate, at 80% it'll be 16 miles. 12.8 of 16 miles of range is 80%. If the climate is on and the range estimate was 16 miles at 100%, at 80% it'll be 12.8 miles. I said "range remaining %." I did not say km or miles or simply remaining range. I did not say anything about what the user might conclude from this % other than it could be used to tell if there was any range or if they were already in hybrid. Ev range can be expressed in many ways. Km, miles, %, kw, discharge time, charge time.

Idk. My guess is the enable ice pop up will appear as usual. Since it is only about 1/4 of a bar, not even, it may be difficult to get it exactly there. (Tried. Since it fluctuates with speed, returning to 4 bars at 35km/h, I was unable to specifically sit inside that 1/4 of a bar before it raised to 4 bars) Any reason to expect different?

Reread my post you quoted and read my explanation above. It shows a %. This % is both the percent of ev power and ev range as they're one in the same.

I am again experiencing a drop in available ev power in auto with the HVB at 71% and the climate control is off. It was 7c inside the garage this morning. The vehicle was charged to 100% and precondition this morning. It was 5c outside the garage. I had a steady 4 bars of ice threshold omw to work. Went to get lunch. It is now 15c and I am again seeing a fluctuation in the ice threshold while in auto. It starts at about 3.75 bars and climbs to 4 bars at 35km am hour. It seems to me this is due to variation in cell voltage due to the changes in ambient temp. Anyone experience similar or have another explanation?